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This topic contains 66 replies, has 17 voices, and was last updated by  peter_b 10 years, 8 months ago.

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  • #4602

    kyotokid
    Keymaster

    “It works on my machine”

    Whats up with that line?

    Obviously it works on your machine, the point is it doesnt work on anyone elses.

    hrmph.

  • #25542

    omen
    Participant

    Hey, thats a good line!!

    Bisides, if you works on your machine, it makes it trickier to debug to find out why it doesn’t work on an artists, especially as artists never have Visual Studio installed, so you can’t debug it on their machine :)

  • #25547

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Its because artists dont know how to follow the instructions.

  • #25549

    Pete
    Participant

    Real men don’t need instructions

  • #25550

    Max Marshall
    Participant

    Real men don’t read, they shoot!

  • #25551

    Skyclad
    Participant

    And programmers dont need to be bothered by artists who would rather complain and waste our time than RTFMing.

  • #25554

    jediboy
    Participant

    art heads grrrrr…..

  • #25557

    Nooptical
    Participant

    “Artists do not prove things. They do not need to. They know them.” George Bernard Shaw

    nuff said….

  • #25558

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Thus proving that artists are completely useless (without programmers…)?

  • #25559

    Max Marshall
    Participant

    graphics sell games, so artists keep programmers in work.

  • #25561

    wilted
    Participant

    and programming sells 3d models ;) keeping artists in work
    I could go on and be all profound but bleh artists

  • #25562

    Max Marshall
    Participant

    True, its a vicious cycle, I reckon we should all just try to get along and blame everything on the game designers instead.

  • #25563

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Yesssss…..

    Lets all ‘get along’

    *readies knife in the back…*

  • #25564

    Nooptical
    Participant

    Or maybe its all the producers fault……….what do they actually do anyway?

    *walks away from thread leaving behing a can of worms nicely opened*

  • #25569

    Max Marshall
    Participant

    *walks away from thread leaving behing a can of worms nicely opened*[/quote:d1788a3ce9]

    …More like a nail bomb

  • #25571

    omen
    Participant

    graphics sell games, so artists keep programmers in work.[/quote:fef6f1a992]
    As artists are responsible for the down-turn in game-play. Programmers are too busy trying to make them happy to be able to innovate and make games good :)

    Or maybe its all the producers fault……….what do they actually do anyway? [/quote:fef6f1a992]
    Don’t get me started…just don’t…not today. I’ll get myself fired.

  • #25572

    lk_
    Participant

    Kind of reminds me Game AI.com’s “famous last words” and “you know your game is in trouble when…”

    Well worth checking out if you have a few minutes to spare.

    http://www.gameai.com/

  • #25573

    Skyclad
    Participant

    You know your game is in trouble when…

    …you give the artists any kind of creative control.

  • #25574

    Max Marshall
    Participant

    Don’t get me started…just don’t…not today. I’ll get myself fired.[/quote:ab9a615e94]

    If the programmers were the ones with the creative control, games would only have gotten as far as pong with 3 colours. As it is, programmers have to nozzle crotches of artists for inspiration like hungry dogs. “please give me something interesting to program, please!”

    You can get yourself fired now Damian.

  • #25575

    lk_
    Participant

    You know your game is in trouble when…

    …when Jesus appears in your texture maps.

    Isn’t that refering to Half Life….

  • #25576

    omen
    Participant

    I think you’re talking about designers, not artists and certainly not about producers. Artists, and producers for that matter, who think they are designers are just problems.

  • #25577

    Skyclad
    Participant

    If the programmers were the ones with the creative control, games would only have gotten as far as pong with 3 colours.[/quote:67e349b037]
    If it’s not broken…

  • #25578

    omen
    Participant

    Pong’s fantastic!

  • #25579

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Bloody artists, always trying to fix the things that arent broken…

  • #25580

    omen
    Participant

    Bloody artists, always trying to fix the things that arent broken…[/quote:6d64a6cd74]
    Nah they don’t.
    They never try fix things, just come straight to the programmers and complain its broken. Have they got latest? Have they followed the documents you wrote for them to follow ? No…cos they know best. :x

  • #25581

    lk_
    Participant

    There seems to be a lot of anger here….

  • #25582

    ian_hannigan
    Participant
  • #25583

    Max Marshall
    Participant

    it’s the programmer lifestyle of monitor light and masturbation that gets them this way…

  • #25584

    ian_hannigan
    Participant

    I’d also like to disassociate myself in every way possible from the previous post ;)

    He has issues!

  • #25585

    Skyclad
    Participant
  • #25586

    Skyclad
    Participant

    I’d also like to disassociate myself in every way possible from the previous post ;)
    He has issues![/quote:defc70d231]
    Must be the people he works with.

  • #25587

    omen
    Participant
  • #25588

    ian_hannigan
    Participant

    So by your “logic” kearney the game store would have nothing else but Pong on the shelf – oh in a range of colours of course – as long as it’s less than 4!

    As long as it’s easy to program – I mean of course, that’s all that really matters in the market place! ;)

    Oh I can see the Skycorp TV ads now:
    Out Now PONG 2005!
    Plays just like Pong 2004 but it was simple to program (now with 4 real colours)

  • #25589

    Skyclad
    Participant

    So by your “logic” kearney the game store would have nothing else but Pong on the shelf – oh in a range of colours of course – as long as it’s less than 4! [/quote:e8d6027658]
    At this rate, you are heading towards producer status!

    By my logic, as I tried to explain above in such a fashion that even an artist such as yourself could understand, if I program PONG, it will SAY pong on the box, NOT half life 3.

  • #25591

    Max Marshall
    Participant

  • #25592

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Awesome! Whats your suggestion on gameplay?

  • #25593

    ian_hannigan
    Participant
  • #25594

    Skyclad
    Participant

    You better believe it!

  • #25595

    philippe_j
    Participant

    DAVE KEARNEY’s PONG 2006 Pastel edition.
    Now with 4 brand new colours !!!1

    LMAO :lol:

    You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…
    Ahlala

    The only people that should be taken to a public place, naked, coated in tar and feathers, doused with gasoline then set alight and possibly allowed to run towards the nearest water cleaning plant are the suits that have turned the hobby into an industry, or dare I say it, a business.

    Philippe

  • #25598

    Max Marshall
    Participant

  • #25600

    Skyclad
    Participant

    You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…[/quote:452658f0ba]
    The only advantage of trying to be an artist and programmer is that you can get flamed by both sides who both hate you with equal disdain.

  • #25601

    philippe_j
    Participant

    LOL. I don’t know, I never get flamed.
    I make it a point not to try to bother the “other side”, rather I try to get them to the other side so that there are a little less flames in this harsh world.

    Yes, let’s all have a group hug, now :wink:

    Philippe

    ps. Of course, as your saying goes, I am a Master of None. Me I just see it as a way not to become too specialised. So boring…

  • #25623

    wilted
    Participant

    LOL. I don’t know, I never get flamed.
    [/quote:b056942cd3]

    Now thats just asking for trouble :twisted:

  • #25624

    Nooptical
    Participant

    You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…[/quote:7856cc99ca]

    I am friends with a very good psychologist, I could pass on your number if you want…..

  • #25632

    ian_hannigan
    Participant

    [/quote:bc8054df19]

    Just in case ye all mised this yesterday evening… Dave’s ultimate gaming experience ;)

    More on page two of this thread too ;) Your not getting out of it that easy kearney!!!

  • #25633

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Dragging up old dirt again are we!

  • #25636

    ian_hannigan
    Participant

    Yeah it’s so old…yer game is kicking off a right pong!!!!

    I’ll get my coat!

  • #25644

    philippe_j
    Participant

    I am friends with a very good psychologist, I could pass on your number if you want…..[/quote:dee70f3598]
    LOL, yeah I remember my Fine Arts teachers looking at me like I was crazy when I said I was doing a Bac S (Scientist) instead of the usual Literary one…
    what can I say, I only came to programming because for me it’s a nice creative discipline, just like any other form of art, really. Probably why I am as messy and disorganised than your usual nerd :wink:

    Philippe

  • #30083

    Skyclad
    Participant

    So you want to be a programmer, and not an artist?

  • #30084

    amethyst
    Participant

    Sorry, but if anyone mentons these so called “Artist-Programmers” again I’m going to have to kill them.

  • #30086

    kyotokid
    Keymaster

    I dont buy it either.

    Technical Artists are ok…but you pick your side sonny!

    :D

  • #30116

    Pete
    Participant

    Thats enough now

    Artists – back to pretty pictures, programmers – don’t you have some documentation to write up? like ALL of it? No? Course you don’t, you document as you code don’t you?

  • #30118

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Well, it’s not like artists can read anyway…

  • #30119

    omen
    Participant

    Yeah, and sending emails to say where documentation is, is pointless to because artists don’t read them either. :p

  • #30297

    philippe_j
    Participant

    LMAO :P

    Skyclad : I _am_ a programmer. I just find it terribly tedious, once in a while. Then I start doing fun stuff like openGL and I remember why I liked it in the first place.

    pkelly83: well… I suppose you wouldn’t be the first who wants to kill me :oops: usually it’s my bosses :P The people I help, on the other hand, they are just happy to be talking with someone with actual social skills (like, I can speak English, rather than nerd-speak)

  • #36166

    Ola
    Participant

    What types of jobs can you get from studing programming?

  • #36167

    John Kelly
    Participant

    Art type people read good sometime….at least we no smell like cabbage. :P

  • #36168

    Bodb Dearg
    Participant

    What exactly is this nonsense now ? Why can’t everyone just get along.. Sigh.. :roll:

    To programmers:

    Artists are not a waste of your time. Your fancy pixel shaders and uber-cool graphics engine will look like complete and utter s**te unless you have talented artists producing the goods that can back it up. So give them the tools that they need, make things as easy as possible for them to express themselves and get the job done. Stop begruding them just because they might not have the same level of technical expertise or knowledge of computers as you do, everyone cannot be good at everything.

    To artists:

    Programmers are not all nerds, serial killers or star trek geeks. They do not smell and they are for the most part are actually quite approachable. Talk to them and you will see that. Let them know what you need and I’m sure they will listen. You are not cooler than them, you do not have a better taste in things or better social skills. Without them you’re stuff is going nowhere so learn to appreciate that.

    Now let that be the end of it. :lol:

  • #36169

    John Kelly
    Participant

    Ok you have a point. Maybe "Programmers are not all nerds, serial killers or star trek geeks. They do not smell and they are for the most part are actually quite approachable." maybe its just the ones I know ;) And there are worse things then star trek geeks…Babylon 5 geeks!

  • #36170

    gus
    Participant

    What types of jobs can you get from studing programming?[/quote:e046ddc1b2]…programming jobs

    gameplay programming
    graphics programming
    audio programming
    network programming
    physics programming
    animation programming
    tools programming
    etc.

  • #36172

    Ola
    Participant

    thank you gus!!
    As and artist and a noob programmer, people without each other your useless :D

  • #36174

    Skyclad
    Participant

    To programmers:

    Artists are not a waste of your time. [/quote:037bde884a]
    Quite right!

    Artists are a waste of everyone’s time!

    Dave

  • #36175

    Bodb Dearg
    Participant

    To programmers:

    Artists are not a waste of your time. [/quote:fee9cad58f]
    Quite right!

    Artists are a waste of everyone’s time!

    Dave[/quote:fee9cad58f]

    Oh I give up, I may as well be trying to bring about world peace… :lol:

  • #36203

    John Kelly
    Participant

    I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?

  • #36205

    omen
    Participant

    I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?[/quote:4d01d5a9c2]
    Cos they’re irrelevant.

  • #36206

    kyotokid
    Keymaster

    I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?[/quote:95d93b70ef]
    Cos they’re irrelevant.[/quote:95d93b70ef]

    Hey, I dont have a trunk or big floppy ears!

    hohoho…groan

  • #36207

    peter_b
    Participant

    I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?[/quote:09c408a1ab]
    Cos they’re irrelevant.[/quote:09c408a1ab]

    true

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