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This topic contains 19 replies, has 3 voices, and was last updated by  Omega’s Dust 13 years, 2 months ago.

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  • #3238

    Omega’s Dust
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    Has anyone got any advice for me on the easiest and most common way of creating a “human” head in 3ds Max???, I’ve got the architecturial side of things, it’s just the organic side that keeps holding me back?, any advice would be appreciated

    cheers

  • #12550

    Nooptical
    Participant

    “Box Modeling” is the usual way to model a head. Its hard to explain but you basically start out with a box with a certain amount of segments, then you convert it to am editable poly and make “cuts” in the model to allow you to add detail.

    Try the tutorials section in 3D Total , they usually have a lot of good tutorials.

  • #12552

    Pete
    Participant

    I find spline modelling and surface tools most intuitive, and they work really well for organics. When youre working on complex models of any sort, reference is most important. Check out http://www.3d.sk or http://www.fineart.sk for some reference, or ideally snap your own with a camera. You need at least a profile and front view, but the more reference you have the better.

  • #12553

    Nooptical
    Participant

    There are many differant techniques, its just a matter of finding one that you find the best and most intuitive for you.

    Try many different tutorials.

  • #12555

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    I am familiar with box modeling it’s just that just when everything is coming togehter nicely, something always manages to go wrong! for example the other day I had the Head Of Hatori Hanzo half modeled and then towards the end i noticed that at the back of his head there was a massive gap! and I couldn’t fix it!!…. was this because I streched the poly’s to much??

  • #12556

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    Is there anyway to “multiply” a spline? say for instance you created the shape of a head and gradually rotated the spline so that it would be 3dimensional, its hard to explain here but it just seems more practical than a box head??, maybe

  • #12559

    Pete
    Participant

    Yeah, providing your spline has just enough verts to be moved into the profile shape, the front shape, the 3/4 shape and the shapes inbetween

  • #12562

    Nooptical
    Participant

    and then towards the end i noticed that at the back of his head there was a massive gap

    You probably tried to move a vert(s) in one viewport and didn’t realise that you had selected extra verts at the back of his head. This is something you have to be mindful of when editing verts, it is very easy to select one in the front viewport an unknowningly also select verts at the back of the head. This can happen a lot, especially when using a selection marque to select the verts.

  • #12566

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    I noticed that… but selecting one vert and then using CTRL to select alternate verts is tedious, especially when you want to select large areas in the viewport.

    problem:2
    is there any way to mesh smooth a cut? without smoothing the poly, for instance if you had a box face, created a indented cut and wanted to mesh smooth it so that the cut would bend into the box,but wanted the box to say solid. can it be done?

  • #12573

    Nooptical
    Participant

    I noticed that… but selecting one vert and then using CTRL to select alternate verts is tedious, especially when you want to select large areas in the viewport.

    It tedious, but its safe. ;)
    If you do need to use a selection tool, then zoom in/rotate around the model to make sure only what you want is selected.

    On problem 2, I am not 100% sure, but I think you can use smoothing groups for this. Again, I’m not sure, I have never used them!

  • #12575

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    Smoothing groups??, in the deformations panel ya?

    hmmmm. isn’t there a new patch out for max??, I thought i read it in Edge?

    Anyone know where you can download a trial version of Maya(for free)

    Nooptical did you see Dr Jackal/Mr Hyde in Van Helsing???
    christ he looked amazing! fully animated, surpassing Pixar!, in my opinion

  • #12579

    Pete
    Participant

    You probably tried to move a vert(s) in one viewport and didn’t realise that you had selected extra verts at the back of his head. This is something you have to be mindful of when editing verts, it is very easy to select one in the front viewport an unknowningly also select verts at the back of the head. This can happen a lot, especially when using a selection marque to select the verts.[/quote:7f74d89b8a]

    Choose “ignore backfacing” when selecting verts to move, this avoids the inadvertant selection of vertices on the far side of the surface you’re working on.

    is there any way to mesh smooth a cut? without smoothing the poly, for instance if you had a box face, created a indented cut and wanted to mesh smooth it so that the cut would bend into the box,but wanted the box to say solid. can it be done?[/quote:7f74d89b8a]

    Not sure I understand what youre trying to do, you can localise a meshsmooth by selecting the appropriate faces-> add meshsmooth_>turn off apply to whole mesh. If you want the box to stay solid you may need to weld verts around the cut before you meshsmooth. Hope this helps, not sure if its what you’re talking about.

    Anyone know where you can download a trial version of Maya(for free)[/quote:7f74d89b8a]

    On the official alias site, Maya Personal Learning Edition is free for non commercial use, although it uses its own file format and rendering is watermarked.

  • #12581

    Nooptical
    Participant

    Yup, forgot about ignore backfacing! ;)

    I didn’t see Van Helsing, heard it was really pants!

  • #12586

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    Thanks Pete will try that tonight,and as for the Mesh Smooth problem, well the most obvious real life example I can think of is a Jet engine, you know the way the inner cone of the engine curves onto the outer cone, does that make any sense??

    Van Helsing is pants, Put the Animation and character models are ace!

  • #12633

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    How do you effectively link IK solvers to the torso so that you can manipulate the limbs from it?????

    Thanks again pete that solution worked.

    cheers

  • #12636

    Nooptical
    Participant

    You will need to rig the character first. By rigging I mean create the bones system and then “skin”(using the skin modifier) the character. Then you can apply IK systems to it.

  • #12637

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    Right.

    noopitcal, you know your samurai.. how did you create the mesh for the character or was it done in poser?

  • #12639

    Nooptical
    Participant

    That was a simple poser model. I was originally going to try an model the human from scratch, but considering the main focus of the work was the armour I decided to concentrate on that instead.

    I still have to finish it though!

  • #12640

    Pete
    Participant

    If you use Character Studio, there is already IK worked into the biped rig for you. Saves a huge amount of time on humanoid characters.

  • #12642

    Omega’s Dust
    Participant

    You should finish it Noobtical! I saw it on your site and it’s looking deadly, what are you going to call him??

    may I suggest a few names

    Samonuske-

    Hatori Hanzo-

    Jubei-

    Tom Cruise(really)-

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