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This topic contains 35 replies, has 15 voices, and was last updated by  Cosmonaut 11 years, 10 months ago.

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  • #4955

    omen
    Participant

    Quote from article in “Independent on Sunday”.

    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2006/QBlog080106A.html

  • #28889

    kyotokid
    Keymaster

    Opinions are like arseholes….

    I could come up with some incredibly stupid quote too….but would they post it? Like fuck they would.

  • #28890

    aphra
    Keymaster

    quite stunning!

    Aphra.

  • #28896

    Ronny
    Participant

    It’s always the parents who say these things having grown up without games in their lives. We’re seeing the twenty-somethings now entering their thirties and being more open to gaming because they’ve grown up with games. Give it a couple of generations and there will be much less ignorance.

    I’m not surprised that parents don’t want their children sitting next to the television everyday looking like zombies, but to say they’d rather have them take drugs is quite surprising.

  • #28897

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Obviously these parents, having been both addicted to games and hard drugs in their lifetimes and in a far better position to comment than any of us. Let us, briefly try to understand where they are coming from:

    – If you get addicted to games, you are likely to obtain a gun and go on a killing spree. Compare this to cocaine addiction, where a small number of people resort to armed robbery to feed their habit, but dont deliberately go out to kill people.

    – Playing games is an inherently antisocial activity, with people sitting in dark rooms with no interest in meeting other people. On the other hand, drugs are a social activity, one only has to look at the number of potential friends you can make while attending a rave as one example.

    – Medical problems associated with games are often uncurable. Take for example the famed ‘Nintendonitis’ or other stress related disorders – these are very hard to cure without recovering from the addiction itself. In contrast, there are a number of well documented clinical treatments for abscesses, dental degradation and other related problems.

    – In many cases with drugs, the addiction is physical and can be cured by avoiding the substance in question. Games create a mental addiction, which by contrast will remain even when the trigger is removed. It is commonly known that recovering from a physical addiction is far easier than a mental one.

    Naturally, since it has been shown quite clearly that games constitute a far more severe threat to the human race than any of the so called ‘controlled substances’, they should be banned and the appropriate measures taken against those who provide them. I propose that game developers are subject to the same criminal penalties as those found trafficking common drugs (up to 20 years for class A drugs or mature titles, 14 years for class B drugs and 15s rated titles and up to 5 years for class C drugs and general audience titles, with harsher penalties for those which may lead users to experiment with higher rated titles in the future).

    Dave

  • #28898

    omen
    Participant

    Brilliant!

  • #28900

    philippe_j
    Participant

    like your man said, I dunno whether to laugh or cry… :?
    And she’s waiting for another kid? Good gods :cry:

  • #28902

    Steph
    Participant

    Laugh at the lack of any mental process underpinning the actual quote (as ‘they‘ say, you don’t need to pass a test/license to have kids, unfortunately)

    Cry at the expectedly-representative nature of the opinion, which just goes to show that, after all, Sony hasn’t changed the general outlook on VGs that much after 10 years …

  • #28910

    Ronny
    Participant

    Cry at the expectedly-representative nature of the opinion, which just goes to show that, after all, Sony hasn’t changed the general outlook on VGs that much after 10 years …
    [/quote:12fa2686be]
    I was having a chat about this with my friend the other night. I was asking if the industry is in need of (David) Cameronisation. Games are a lot more acceptable than before, but obviously not acceptable enough among some groups. There’s still a lot of work to do to have games recognised equally alongside other entertainment mediums like music and film.

  • #28914

    Pete
    Participant

    here’s still a lot of work to do to have games recognised equally alongside other entertainment mediums like music and film[/quote:d633c78dc1]

    …and Knight Rider

  • #28916

    Skyclad
    Participant

    Nothing will ever be recognised as being in the same class as knight rider Pete, you know it…

  • #28967

    philippe_j
    Participant

    that would be because the Knight that rides has gone beyond the confines of the little box and merged with the great Intertron…
    (I am still amazed at the strength of the meme, it’s freaking awesome. I wonder if I could do a thesis on it)

  • #28976

    Nooptical
    Participant

    The way I see I can’t be arsed even arguing against these views, because the blame will be moved onto something else in the future anyway. First it was music, then films and now it’s the turn of videogames. It’s just people who are incapable of admitting their own faults as parents passing the buck…..

  • #28977

    RonanHayes
    Participant

    We should request a little experiment.

    Put the kid on an intensive daily program of game playing for 6 months. (The same game…)

    Then put the kid on a daily program of cocaine for another 6 months. (The same drug…)

    Lets see which one the Kid Tires of first… Some parents should just be “Put Down”. As its always these wasters that dont give a rats about their kids, giving a two year old the Blade Trilogy for their birthday, or buying them games not suitable for their age or mentality. Perhaps if they showed an interest in their childs emotional, physical and mental development they could avoid fucking up the kids life… Or just put them on cocaine, because thats far better.

  • #28978

    lk_
    Participant

    While yes there are far too many parents who don’t seem to give a rats arse about their children, there are a few who are just misguided. The last time I was in Xtra Vision I heard one of the members of staff tell a mother that the ages are only to do with how difficult the game is, nothing to do with its content….this was San Andreas she was asking about…

  • #28979

    Lynchman
    Participant

    psh, xtra vision staff….next they’ll be askin the shelf stocker in Tesco’s. Just annoyin that theres not more formal information on the rating systems, instead of it relying hearsay and rumour through word of mouth.

  • #28985

    aphra
    Keymaster

    part of the training for working in a games shop or video rental outlet should be to visit http://www.askaboutgames.com/ and http://www.pegi.info/pegi/index.do

    Aphra

  • #29000

    Lynchman
    Participant

    heeheeheee, you said “training for working in a games shop or video rental outlet”, i.e. here’s how to use the til and here’s how to sticker stock…

  • #29006

    lk_
    Participant

    heeheeheee, you said “training for working in a games shop or video rental outlet”, i.e. here’s how to use the til and here’s how to sticker stock…[/quote:ff5a7bd970]

    Some of them dont even seem to have that training…

  • #29079

    Cosmonaut
    Participant

    I work part time in Gamestop in Waterford, and i put my hand up, unless its a 7 year olf looking for a copy on San Andreas, i usually wave the whole age thing. I remember being refused Mortal Kombat when i was a kid, and hate to be ‘that bastard’.

    But if theres one thing ive learned from working in games retail, its that parents use games as a ‘leave me alone’ tool. Anything to get away from their kids, for a quick fag.

    The sheer volume of people who, when i do say:
    “This is an 18s game….”

    reply with:
    “Ah sure, its nothing they havent seen on the streets!”
    is astonishing.

    Either the level of street crime, prostitution and drive by’s, has risen dramatically without me noticing, or these parents are a discrace.

    Easy Scapegoat.
    Lazy Journalists.

  • #29088

    amethyst
    Participant

    I work part time in Gamestop in Waterford[/quote:53566cc75b]

    ^This guy should be shot!

    The whining kids in that crappy store really put me off going in there. Then again I’m probably annoying guy who ask you all the stupid questions. Why did you stop stocking decent PC games? And whats the deal with putting stuff on display you don’t even have in stock?!?!??!! Like PSP’s etc.

    “Ah sure, its nothing they havent seen on the streets!”
    is astonishing.
    [/quote:53566cc75b]

    I suppose Waterford did have the most murders per population last year. Are the kids still burning out shopping trolleys in Lisduggan and stealing Cornish Pasties (No Joke!!) from WIT students?

    Anyway I have great fun winding up my little brother by asking my parents if he can play a 15’s or 18’s game because I know they’ll say no.

  • #29100

    Cosmonaut
    Participant

    God i think you are one of those annoying people. Its just a case of “If you worked in a shop, youd understand”.

    Why did you stop stocking decent PC games?[/quote:331de9cde8]
    Because people dont buy decent PC Games. I tell people not to buy Leisure Suit Larry, and pick up Age of Empires, or Football Manager, but noooo.
    PC World is out the road selling them stos top whining.

    And whats the deal with putting stuff on display you don’t even have in stock?!?!??![/quote:331de9cde8]

    First of all, if u came in looking for a PSP a month before christmass, you should have known (its a Sony trait) that they wouldnt be around. It was mentioned enough in every newspaper in the country. But low and behold we got about 200+ of them 2 weeks before christmass, when people stopped asking for them. We leave the ‘display boxes’ out to advertise the product. We can hardly be expected to rearrange the shop just because we sold out that day. Its by far the best retail chain ive worked with so far, and if u knew wot some of the shops do to get sales, youd be thankfull you didnt have a GAME or Electronics Boutique in Waterford.

    ———–

    I suppose Waterford did have the most murders per population last year[/quote:331de9cde8]
    Yup. But i wouldnt live anywhere else. It has a fantastic heritage of arts, we hold ireland largest street carnival “Spraoi” annualls, and the tall ships festival last year, and its a great place to raise your kids, as long as you dont live in a councill estate (which can be said about anywhere).

    Are the kids still burning out shopping trolleys in Lisduggan and stealing Cornish Pasties (No Joke!!) from WIT students?[/quote:331de9cde8]
    Its nothing in comparison to how the majority of country bumpkin WIT students carry themselves around the city every night after a few drinks. It makes me ashamed to be associated with the college when i see all those fuckwits.

    —————-

    So yea, if your done with your rant mate, back to the point of this thread.

  • #29103

    omen
    Participant

    Hey! I played Leisure Suit Larry last weekend, and I have to say I was thoroughly impressed for several reason. Firstly, the nostalgia from the original. And secondly for the fantastic script writing in it. Sure the gameplay was almost non-existant, but you spent so much time laughing, it didn’t matter that much. I wouldn’t pay full price for the game, but for budding script writers out there, LSL is a must buy.
    Oh and as for Football Manager….bah!

  • #29105

    Cosmonaut
    Participant

    lol :)

    Its like a 4 hour long romp of xenophobia and racism, and it bears no resemblance to the origional.

    Look, lets be diplomatic. I think we can all agrree that Leisure Suit Football Manager, would be much better.

  • #29106

    amethyst
    Participant

    God i think you are one of those annoying people. Its just a case of “If you worked in a shop, youd understand”.[/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    Football Manager, but noooo. PC World is out the road selling them stos top whining. [/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    Football Manager sucks, as do most sports games. PC World charge an awful lot of money for PC games.

    First of all, if u came in looking for a PSP a month before christmass, you should have known (its a Sony trait) that they wouldnt be around. [/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    October is not the month before christmas.

    Its by far the best retail chain ive worked with so far, and if u knew wot some of the shops do to get sales, youd be thankfull you didnt have a GAME or Electronics Boutique in Waterford.
    [/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    At least they are cheaper.

    ———–

    Yup. But i wouldnt live anywhere else. It has a fantastic heritage of arts, we hold ireland largest street carnival “Spraoi” annualls, and the tall ships festival last year, and its a great place to raise your kids, as long as you dont live in a councill estate (which can be said about anywhere).
    [/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    Dude I lived there for the last 3 years, I’m not saying anything about the place. If I had a choice I’d live there too. Spraoi and the tall ships was great fun.

    Are the kids still burning out shopping trolleys in Lisduggan and stealing Cornish Pasties (No Joke!!) from WIT students?[/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    ^This was a joke

    Its nothing in comparison to how the majority of country bumpkin WIT students carry themselves around the city every night after a few drinks. It makes me ashamed to be associated with the college when i see all those fuckwits. [/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    So in other words you don’t like people from Wexford?

    So yea, if your done with your rant mate, back to the point of this thread.[/quote:30d0e3ae41]

    Drugs are bad games are good. Stop selling them start making them.

  • #29109

    omen
    Participant

    Ah, but the locations are there. Lefty’s Too is pretty similar to Leftys bar. Larry’s in there too. The minmart too, shame the changed the shop-keeper though. Admittedly I didn’t get too far in it, but I thought the monkey mission was one of the funniest levels I’ve played in a game in years.
    I watched someone play FM and quiet enjoyed it and borrowed a copy. Played it myself, played for a season, really enjoyed it, and suddenly realised that that was it, there was no more to the game and I got bored very fast.

  • #29111

    Ronny
    Participant

    I was addicted to LMA Manager for years. That had the simulation-arcade balance spot on. Football Manager is just a little too in-depth for me. I want to play a game, not manage the actual team.

    The only thing worse is playing Eastside Hockey Manager. I love (ice) hockey, but 100 games a season is over the top. Too bad there wasn’t an option to only play each team once a season.

  • #29112

    gizmo
    Participant

    Indeedy, same thing happened with me and Championship Manager 96/97. Played one season, kicked ass, got bored and well, the 96/97-ness of it should be enough of a hint that I havn’t played a Footie Management game in awhile… :D

  • #29113

    amethyst
    Participant

    That had the simulation-arcade balance spot on. Football Manager is just a little too in-depth for me. I want to play a game, not manage the actual team. [/quote:d2ae7b7275]

    Right! Games should be fun. And basck to the whole anti-social thing, If a game is fun and you can play it with a group of people over a network or taking turns the anti-social element is eliminated. The Simpsons Hit and Run is a great game for this!! I can think of others too, but not remember the names.

  • #29115

    Cosmonaut
    Participant

    PC World charge an awful lot of money for PC games[/quote:aecbaa8963]
    Waah. You guys dont sell enough PC Games!
    Waah. PC World is too expensive.
    Waah. Why is life so hard!

    Yup, one of the annoying ones.

    —————–

    October is not the month before christmas. [/quote:aecbaa8963]
    Yea this goes back to my previous ‘Waah’ point. October was in fact the month of release. The month when all the intellegent people who had deposits, came in and collected their PSPs. So basically you were one of those morons who walked into a the only games shop in a city with a 40,000+ population, the week of release of a console, expecting to have one gracefully handed over to you.

    Are you a moron?!
    Do you even play games?!

    Do you complain after a sloppy dump, to consumer rights when theres no toilet paper left , because the people at Andrex didnt give you notice!

    I dont mind if you got it wrong, but to defend yourself with a ‘its the shops fault im retarded!” attitude just makes me hate you.

    ———————–

    Ditto with the ‘so you dont like people from wexford’ comment. I hate being abusive in forums such as this. Especially when its to people who cant hold an argument.

  • #29118

    amethyst
    Participant

    Waah. You guys dont sell enough PC Games!
    Waah. PC World is too expensive.
    Waah. Why is life so hard!
    [/quote:d6026004d1]

    Well I assume there is a market for PC games and you used to sell a lot more.

    Yea this goes back to my previous ‘Waah’ point….[/quote:d6026004d1]

    There were no notices saying PSP’s out of stock, most other places at least did that, so I don’t consider it stupid that I assumed you might actually have one or two in stock.

    Are you a moron?!
    Do you even play games?!
    [/quote:d6026004d1]

    I’m not even prepared to dignify that with an answer.

    I dont mind if you got it wrong, but to defend yourself with a ‘its the shops fault im retarded!” attitude just makes me hate you.
    [/quote:d6026004d1]

    Please elaborate on this point., I never said that. I don’t see why shops should display products that they can’t actually sell, doesn’t make sense. Thats reason not stupidity.

  • #29119

    omen
    Participant

    PC games are a dying breed. There are less obstacles with consoles as you don’t need to test every graphics card and different specs act differently. Consoles are also now considered the main gaming device, so unfortunatelly, there are pc games sold these days. There is a market, but there is less being developed for it.

    In fairness, everyone knew there wasn’t going to be any PSPs around. Of course shops aren’t going to tell you this, if they don you won’t go in. If you don’t go in, you won’t buy anything. Its just marketing. Some shops tell in advance so as not to clog up the staff with enquiries, others ust want you in the shop.

    Please, no personal attacks on the forums. It just makes everyone looks silly.

  • #29120

    amethyst
    Participant

    Peace. Anyway I better get back to work. This is getting rather stupid.

  • #29124

    Cosmonaut
    Participant

    Well I assume there is a market for PC games and you used to sell a lot more. [/quote:8cdc359ada]
    There is ‘A’ market naturally. There is ‘A’ market for anything. But a shop as a certain ammount of floorspace, and the fact is Ps2 and Xbox games sell far more than PC games.

    There were no notices saying PSP’s out of stock,[/quote:8cdc359ada]
    Omen is correct on the marketing thing. Generally theres a point to every sign in a shop, but in terms of notices, deliveries come into the shop twice daily that week, theres no point in putting a sign up, if were gonna get one or two more PSP’s 10mins later.

  • #29129

    Lynchman
    Participant

    And finally getting as far away from the topic as possible….everyone should buy their games online, cheaper, quicker, and far more reliable than them having it in store, http://www.play.com has my vote…..THE END

  • #29132

    Cosmonaut
    Participant

    Roger that.

    Big ass sale on play.com
    Something silly like 7 euro for the doom expansion.
    I think the movies is in there too (great game).

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