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Hey folks im Thinking of creating a mod for the Orange box engine based in Ireland.The game is going to incorporate features of many of Valves top games such as bomb planting from CS:S and breakables in DOD:S and the realisticness of some of the best Full engine conversions available like Resistance and Liberation and INSURGENCY.
Basically the game is going to be Set in Present Day Ireland and will involve a Freedom fighting force attacking the opposing force that tries to hold onto the Six counties. OK basically its gonna be the psni and the british army Versus the IRA but in game there will be no mention of it due to political Issues beyond my control and also for safety sake lol.
And i know what you are think "aw not a good idea and it might stir up the troubles again " to that i say wtf its only a game and i will take take pride in making the game and developing it into a popular steam multiplayer game and hopefully MOD of the year.
But its really going to take years of development to make anything so im asking you Irish heads out there with all your programming and creative skills to join together with me as a team and give the world a good old MOD
OK so let me know what you think or if you are interested this will be partime only but if we set up a team we ca batter away at it and make something of it.
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lol, well at least your subject matter will make for good publicity (kotaku will love it).
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This is frankly disturbing. It is a topic involving people whose actions should not be glorified. These people are not freedom fighters, they are terrorists.Terrorists ‘fighting’ for nothing. And by ‘fighting’ I mean killing innocent (often catholic) people (men, women and children).
I hope any mod of this type never sees the light of day.
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Is it a comedy?
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Yep i expected this and surely your all like this guy is some kind of sinn fein asshole republican tool who thinks he can glorify the actions of a terrorist organisation that have terrorised the Irish Community for decades. I am catholic and i by no means glorify What the Ira Did and i hope to God you dont think of me this Way Squash im meant no harm. But i put this to you Look at games such as Insurgency and cs:s What do they Portray if not Acts of terrorism such as bomb planting and Freedom fighting. This is why i dont take a political stance one way or the other on any issue, All im saying is that its a game that will only simulate new Ideas or rather more than normal on a mod platform.
If you guys dont like the Idea im not gonna say "Tough shit" cause i respect the comunity this is why it was a proposal not only a Request for programmers and Creative designers so if you dont like the idea Squash i will drop it and think of something else :)and i hope i havent come across to you as a Rebelious teen looking for Blood :( im just full of ideas and hope that i want to express on the Hl2 engine
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And no its not a comedy lol it was gonna be a serious gaming infrastructure but Squash doesn’t like it and i respect that so back to the drawing board
:)OK so any ideas folks i wanna base the mod in IRELAND and The whole Ira thing was the only major Fps lead i had so now i need new ideas to gorge from
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OK so any ideas folks i wanna base the mod in IRELAND and The whole Ira thing was the only major Fps lead i had so now i need new ideas to gorge from
:)[/quote:041b8c6108]If this was your only Unique Selling Point, then it’s a good thing it got called out now. Cause it needs more than simply an identity for each side to be a good mod.
How will it differ from other team based mods? How is it different from CS and DOD and Insurgency?
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Ok you guys are a bundle of joy lol
Sorry i bothered posting it
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Ok ive dropped the idea and im sorry for posting it please forgive me and if a higher admin would be so kind as to delete this whole threaD IT WOULD BE GOOD
Now ive come up with something good:) well a friend did but im helping
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Ok you guys are a bundle of joy lol
Sorry i bothered posting it
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:([/quote:7e426a73f0]No apology needed. Design is supposed to be an iterative process, you take an idea and refine it and refine it and make it better and better. You get feedback and use that to make it even better.
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There’s just no way to just see this as a good idea, it can only condone or glorify republican violence, regardless of what other games have done. Even if you did something from "both" sides it would be in extremely poor taste and not welcome on gd.ie.
I’m glad you are changing the game.
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Hi foofighter,
I wouldn’t worry about it. You had an idea, and after a few responses, you quickly realised that there’s no way a game involving republican or loyalist terrorism could work. Not only is the very concept unsensible and immature, but politically loaded terms such as ‘freedom fighters’ and ‘six counties’ are only going to drag it down even further. At least you had the common sense to see that. There’s been more than a few people before you who haven’t been able to take feedback on board and walk away. Well done for being able to admit that you made a mistake.
The best thing you can do is swiftly move on to something else, like you seem to be doing now. What’s the new concept you and your friend have come up with?
Welcome to the community, foofighter. Don’t let this thread scare you away from posting! Just bear in mind that the forum is made up of people from all parts of Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic and further afield. Steer away from obviously controversial topics and you’ll be grand. Looking forward to your contributions.
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Sorry again for causing the ruckus im not even sure why i posted it lol
It was a spur of the moment thing i suppose and i didn’t think i through
Thanks for the fed back on my mistake all the same and it wont happen again.
The idea we are thinking of lacks a killer app idea or real attraction so when we come up with that i will post a clean thread asking for support or Anima the guy who thought of it will
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Sorry again i meant no harm
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You could just re-skin the existing CS:S maps and your done. couple of tri-colours, union-jacks, trad music (instead of the brazilian radio – RIO what an awesome CS map…), etc.
I think the loudest point raised above is the "what is your unique selling point?"
To which I would consider some original character classes. You could consider making the game about "solving" conflict and therefore encourage classes like:
diplomat
mediator
weapons inspector
politician
peace-maker
religious-leader
media-personwho all work towards resolving conflict and establishing and maintaining peace in their own way.
problems with this? well then it starts lending itself to an RTS game rather than FPS (imo). You will also more than likely lose most of the FPS trigger-junkies.
Also, you’ve got Phooka to contend with up in Derry City who are working on a similar concept (last I checked) which is about peace in Ireland in the future.
In the end, an Northern Ireland themed CS:S mod would probably grab a day’s mention on Kotaku – but after that, then what? Its not like this game would (imo) have a mass-market appeal, you’ve got 4-5 million people on the island, how many of them play CS? 1%? which gives you 40,000 gamers? And even that seems a bit high. 0.1% gives you 4,000 gamers? and what other content is there competing for their attention?
I suppose the above criticisms apply to all games.
In summary – thefoofighter I see that your new to the forums, (<10 posts) so I don’t want to discourage you from continuing to hang out and post ideas. I think the locals have been pretty quick to get the shotguns out for this concept without realising your new.
Look forward to your next concept.
-Brendan.
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It’s great to see someone intent on making something! However your subject choice is somewhat…uncomfortable. As the guys above said probably not the way to go unless you are specifically courting controversy.
You seem to be more interested in just making a fun mod rather than staking a claim to political or artistic statements so your decision to change the subject matter is probably for the best.
If this is just a project for your own entertainment/enjoyment I wouldn’t worry too much about your "target market". It sounds as if you are not trying to go commercial with it anyway. Thinking about how your mod is going to be different to everyone else’s is good, but don’t get hung up trying to get as many people to play it as possible. Just enjoy making it!
On a side note you do raise an interesting point:
If I had said that I was going to write a book or make a film about the troubles, the reaction would not have been NEARLY as negative.My own gut reaction was "that’s really not a good idea. It’ll start a sh*t storm if the media gets wind of it" swiftly followed by "and I’d probably agree with them". But at the end of the day, if games want to be taken seriously as a medium they need to be allowed to tackle controversial topics. Where do we draw the line? Can we really claim to be anything other than an entertainment industry if we constantly avoid controversy?
To use the comic defense, either everything has to be fair game or none of it can be. People don’t have to like what you have to say and they are more than free to tell you what rubbish it is and why it’s silly/stupid/offensive. It’s an integral dialogue that our society is supposed to be built on.Honestly I believe we take a beating from the mainstream media because when ever there is controversy about a game it’s because of purile reasons. A game has tried to do something silly and crass rather than trying to engage with a subject that we find difficult for the purpose of furthering a dialogue about it.
Without wanting to cause offence, this mod is another example. We’ll have the IRA fight the PSNI because other games have toyed with terrorism in a fictional setting, we’re just doing the same thing but set in real life. It’s not engaging with the topic, it’s simply using it as an excuse.
That recent Fallujah game that got canned may well have been doing it for selfish or short sighted reasons, but it stated people talking about it. They might also have actually had an artistic or genuine social/political motivation at heart. (Unfortunately they seem to have gotten stuck on the fact that there is a game about it rather than talking about it was based on, which is far more important.)
If developers actually had solid well thought out reasons behind their decisions when dealing with controversial issues I think we’d be garnering a lot more respect on the whole right now.
Instead we’re being censored effectively because you can beat whores to death in GTA.Even if the subject matter doesn’t tackle violence I’m pretty sure games will get flack no matter what it is simply because of the way games will always present these concepts. They will present you with the task of of thinking through how and more importantly WHY you would be doing things that society finds objectionable. Rather than just having society tell you ‘this thing is bad, don’t do it’, you have to understand what this thing is, why this thing is bad. Then hopefull the user will wonder is this thing actually bad and why the heck would someone want to do it anyway and (just maybe after that) how do we deal with these people and get them to stop doing what ever it is.
To somewhat conclude this irate rant basically the way I see it is that at the moment developers aren’t allowed to say anything important with games. It doesn’t matter whether it is a multi-million dollar game focusing on a politically sensitive battle, a teenage trying to make a mod about his countries sordid history or a flash game focusing on ignorant misogyny. Societies reaction is the same. Don’t you dare.
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I watched That HBlock Trailer and im still in awe
Controversial as hell but wow that game had a tonne of work done on it
That was the kinda thing i had aimed for and now its done so there we have itI still need my killer idea
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Here’s something similar that was done as part of a peace project…
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Thats actually pretty cool. I guess if you call something art, its get more acceptable. :roll:
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Video games aren’t treated seriously as an art form.
Game developers hear about a video game with controversial subject matter and instantly assume it’ll all end badly, and that any potential treatment of the subject will be inappropriate.
That’s interesting in itself.It’s fair enough though. Hey, if we heard about a new Steven Segal movie dealing with the troubles, we’d react similarly. I don’t think video games deserve to be taken any more seriously. With few exceptions, they haven’t earned it.
But I do think there’s good potential in ideas like this.
I think there’s scope for using video games to allow people an opportunity to empathise with the other side as a vehicle to resolve conflict.
Walk a mile in your enemy’s shoes, be forced to make the decisions they had to, see the consequences, and maybe you’ll understand their perspective a little better.
I reckon you could do this without being boring too.It’s a pity Konami canned Fallujah. Basically shows the big players in the industry have no conviction, no balls (maybe r* and one or two others aside?). Could have been an interesting project.
Anyway, cynical marketing hat on – the idea clearly has legs. A new poster came online to a forum, and kicked up a huge fuss by claiming, in very vague terms, they were going to make a game with the theme in question.
To be honest, OP, making mods is hard, and most people on this forum have enough sense to know that when someone comes on-line with a half baked plan and no team, to produce a huge mod project, the idea is never going to get anywhere*. Yet instead of just being ignored, there was a big reaction. That’s an idea with legs. Maybe I’m biased – I have thought about similarly themed games over the years.
Sometimes when everyone yells loudly and says you’re very wrong, it’s an indication you’re very right. (Most of the time you’re just wrong though).*Not saying that you won’t get anywhere, OP. Just that you probably won’t. You have to be aware that lots of people have good ideas for games, and no hope of building them – maybe you’re the exception, but make sure you know how big the task you are talking about is, and be careful with your credibility.
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Omg this Thread was very constructive for me it started with a BIG no from squash and then got alot more nos then i gave it a NO and then people got sympathetic with me and now im getting maybe’s I dunno guys you crack me up but Im going to leave it alone due to the explosive nature of its being but some of your replies guys was very thoughtful and considerate of my position and the Idea i had and then dropped
So basically what im saying is thank you for all your responses to my under cooked mod Dream , some of them were deep and others rash but all in all it really has opened a can of worms, maybe a rotting can but none the less it has made me think of the way we perceive life and Gaming in general as gamers and Devs alike it shows how we are very quick to jump to conclusions and how we can think something through in a professional and Mature sense so
Gentlemen and Ladies i take my hat off you ye all and look forward to more constructive responses and Ideas.
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Full stops. Use ’em. ;)
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I liked your first idea a lot more :)
You should watch Deadliest Warrior – especially the IRA vs the Taliban slot:
http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/2009/07/deadliest_warrior_ira_vs_the_taliban.php
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Even better… here’s a snippet
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Full stops. Use ’em. ;)[/quote:47f061f819]
What is this full stop you speak of.
hmm.
i would like to know.
I jk sorry yeah when i get all theological i tend to rant and good grammar holds a distant spot in the innards of my being.
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