March 1, 2007 at 1:29 pm #5883
Philip Gallagher from TV3 has been in touch via the website to ask if anyone from gamedevelopers.ie would like to take part in a debate on Friday morning March 9th at 7.45pm about whether computer games are making kids more violent.
The debate would take place in the TV3 studios off the M50.
They are looking for the ‘gd.ie person to defend games. he says ‘The interview would be very even handed and the interviewers would be completely impartial. It would last for around 10 minutes.’
It is likely there will be a person arguing against games there too.
Info on how to get to TV3 is at http://www.tv3.ie/contact.php.
If interested and available PM me.
March 1, 2007 at 3:10 pm #35821AnonymousInactive
"defending" games, eh… erm, I can see the tripwire all the way from here :twisted:
I believe that you, of all gd.ie persons, should step up to that particular plate – mix in academic and publication credentials, and much media-savviness/-friendliness and we got ourselves a winner, methinks :wink:
Or Tony, under his double "industry insider / IGDA Irish Head Honcho" hat. Mind you, he’s not as camera-friendly :lol:
March 1, 2007 at 4:27 pm #35823
too kind Steph by far!
strangely enough children and violence are too things I have not specifically studied…perhaps people know of someone who has?
March 1, 2007 at 5:05 pm #35824AnonymousInactive
Mind you, he’s not as camera-friendly :lol:[/quote:bbeeb16420]
Shameful stuff. Buttering her up so you can make an appearance on TV3. Dont be fooled Aphra. :roll:
March 1, 2007 at 6:58 pm #35826AnonymousInactive
I agree with steph. Aphra does not fit the stereotyping "gamer/nerd" mould, that the general public think we are. They would be expecting a nerdy programmer, and a man.
A woman academic and author defending games would give a better impression of the industry/hobby. And the fact she knows her stuff is a bonus ;)
there are a few others here I’m sure could do a good job too, but I think Aphra gives the best first impression
As its only a ten min interview, I don’t think the discussion will be very deep, so you would not have to be an expect on the subject.
I wonder who is on the other side…. is jack on a world tour?
btw, Aphra, what is you view on "computer games are making kids more violent?"
March 1, 2007 at 9:53 pm #35827AnonymousInactive
Whoever is going should ensure they’ve read New Research Sees Correlation Between Violent Bible Passages and Aggression
I’d agree with both Dark and Steph, Aphra has great credentials and the added bonus of not fitting into the stereotypical gamer. That and seeing some of the faces from this board so early on a Friday morning may be more than the Irish public can take.
March 1, 2007 at 11:20 pm #35828AnonymousInactive
Aphra, I think the job is yours, based on looks and brains!
If anyone else does it, it may convey to the TV public that we’re all a bunch of overweight, spotty nerds LOL
March 2, 2007 at 3:36 am #35830AnonymousInactive
There’s an article here on arstechnica with some interesting articles linked for whoever’s going to do the debate.
March 2, 2007 at 8:43 am #35832AnonymousInactive
March 2, 2007 at 8:56 am #35833AnonymousInactive
Elementary and very valid point to make, but I’d keep it under the arm as the finishing move for this ‘debate’ :twisted:
[devil’s advocate]Isn’t there an implicit admission with this argument, however, that kids playing 18-rated are likely to be more violent?[/devil’s advocate]
To my mind, there are two basic angles under which to approach the question: (i) parallels with other media (comic books, films, etc.) and the (ii) interactive nature of games.
The first offers a respite from/nice counter to ‘bash-the-VGs’ hysteria, since other media is just as violent if not more (Tom & Jerry is quite violent, if you ask me :wink:), but has the second been sufficiently quantified/studied/etc. for any valid points to be made either way?
All the same, VGs can’t and shouldn’t be isolated in explaining any kid’s behaviour – if the kid is badly reared to start with, any form of violent stimulus is only going to as an accelerator. There’s been violent kids for centuries before VGs even existed, are there more today? How long is it since kids started having TVs in bedrooms, and/or VCRs, and/or consoles, etc…? Lots of points to make IMHO, to take the ‘heat’ away.
EDIT – now glanced that arstechnica linkie, and same points made there, only more eloquently :oops:
March 5, 2007 at 10:20 am #35871
apparently the other person will be someone from the national parents council
while I take some of you points I am not necessarily someone who will ‘defend’ all games per se.
Also I am not a psychologist, I am a sociologist, so exploring casuality or effect, long term behavioural issues etc. is not my area. Finally, I do not have children which is a point, simplistic I know, which I am sure will be made.
This is a tough gig for anyone working or researching in the area of games who is not specifically researching games, violence and children.
March 5, 2007 at 10:28 am #35872AnonymousInactive
This is a tough gig for anyone working or researching in the area of games who is not specifically researching games, violence and children.[/quote:dd511d692a]
Well, put it this way: what are the chances of you/the TV researchers finding anyone in Dublin who is (i) working or researching in the area of games and (ii) who is specifically researching games, violence and children? :wink:
"Loss" by default is looming :cry:
NB – somehow, I don’t think having children or not is a deal-breaker in this. E.g. what if that fabled person alluded to above is found, yet is not a parent herself/himself? If the ‘other side’ is likely to make the argument that the ‘gaming side’ spokesperson is not a parent to try and make a point, then it’s not a very adult/thoughtful debate to begin with, and more a tabloid/rag -type of banter.
March 5, 2007 at 11:06 am #35873AnonymousInactive
Just a question, but is there any evidence that children as a whole are getting more violent? Aside from incidents such as Columbine which involve individuals, is say bullying in schools becoming more physically violent or is psychological bullying more common? Children killing children is a terrible thing but it probably isn’t new. The reason children can kill so many children probably has more to do with the efficiency of modern weapons rather than games making them violent.
Another point, what about children that engage in violent sports such as boxing or martial arts, it specifically involves the visualisation of violent acts and this, at least in my experience (and i know a lot of people that would agree), makes children less violent.
March 5, 2007 at 11:14 am #35874AnonymousInactive
Just a question, but is there any evidence that children as a whole are getting more violent?[/quote:a2d90c183a]
No. Follow satchmo‘s linkie for instance, and there appears to be mounting evidence to the contrary.
That said, (say) if there’s 50% less violent children than 50 years ago, but if videogames can demonstrably be proven to account for 50% of violent children currently, then there’s is provably a problem.
That’s the crux of the problem: the maths/stats are meaningless unless they are grounded in scientific (not empirical) testing/research, of which there is little to none yet.
March 5, 2007 at 11:52 am #35875AnonymousInactive
Steph, you seem to know what you’re talking about, you should do it :)
As for more violent children, i think its more of a case of a more vioent society as a whole. NED culture is a horrible thing and it seems to be growing strongly in the UK and I’m assuming in Ireland (Dublin) too. Strange thing is, aren’t these kids on the street causing problems all night, therefore, the one’s NOT playing violent games?
I also think the biggest problem, no matter what anyone says, is the parents. Rating system is in place, if they be bothered to monitor their kids playing time, they just don’t have an viable arguement in my mind.
March 5, 2007 at 12:03 pm #35876AnonymousInactive
If someone can clone me, for my clone to take care of business at base, maybe I will :lol:
Seriously – I am probably the GD.ie "person" with the least relevant credentials (although I do have a child :wink: – and she ‘plays’) for this malarkey. But I’d be happy to run the ‘contestant’ through a mock grilling, just so they’re prepared for worst-case :twisted:
March 6, 2007 at 12:46 am #35883AnonymousInactive
Also worth referring to:
March 15, 2007 at 9:30 pm #36037AnonymousInactive
how did it go???
March 16, 2007 at 9:28 am #36048AnonymousInactive
how did it go???[/quote:f646dc90e0]
good point, that was last friday, i meant to ask someone to record it and throw it on to youtube
March 16, 2007 at 10:15 am #36053AnonymousInactive
Who did it ?
March 20, 2007 at 11:17 am #36102AnonymousInactive
Not me :lol:
March 22, 2007 at 11:02 am #36128
actually I don’t know either. I was at a research event that morning in town so didn’t get to see it.
Maybe they just had the one speaker..
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