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October 11, 2005 at 4:21 pm #4658
For those of you not aware of the details, on Friday October 7, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill proposed by Assemblyman Leland Yee that will fine, up to USD 1,000, anyone who sells a violent video game to minors. The bill has been described as vague at best and hypocritical at worst by the industry and by first amendment activists. What is strange however, is that in a state where Quentin Tarrantino is revered as an artist for such wholesome works as Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, Assemblyman Yee decided that his first priority was the gaming industry when minors seem to have an opinion on Mr. Tarrantino’s works.
You have to be careful when examining why people are opposed to the legislation, it’s not that anyone disagrees with the noble cause of protecting minors from violent content but that the bill is a rushed, childish attempt to convince voters that politicians care about the issue rather than an honest effort to protect America’s youth from exposure to violence.
October 11, 2005 at 5:06 pm #26099
Ah yes, the American way…
October 11, 2005 at 5:51 pm #26100
And passed by Mr. Schwarzenegger notheless…
October 11, 2005 at 8:13 pm #26107
Meh, Schwarzenegger or another, it’s all the same. Like a law in America would be passed after actually making a proper study of the situation… well, to be fair it’s the same everywhere. If an issue is mediatised, over hyped, you can bet that the laws rushed through to satisfy the public will be completely inadequate. It doesn’t matter anyway, all that matters is that the public is satisfied, and with their one day attention span, can now feel happy about “helping the children”, and now move on to something else…
As long as they don’t remember about roleplaying, I’m more than happy to see them extend the limits of human stupidity…
October 11, 2005 at 9:00 pm #26108
October 12, 2005 at 8:41 am #26127
October 12, 2005 at 8:54 am #26133
Honestly, I think fines are a good idea.
A amte of mine used to work in an off-license a few years back and he used to ask for ID when he thought it was needed. Then while he was working there the government brought in the on-the-spot fine for selling to under age people. Fine on the off-licence and on the employee. After that, anyone he was vaguely unsure about got asked for ID.
Fining the employee and the company and policing it should be enforced, its just not done. Although in saying that, this sort of crap was going on with movies years ago and people were less out-spoken and eventually it just went away…
October 12, 2005 at 11:40 am #26146
they should solve the problem Kyoto style:
“Hey, these rating systems don’t make any difference! Let’s not even bother. This is only preventing our industries from making more money. Who cares what the rest of the world think.”
Now that would be something I wouldn’t blame Bush for trying :twisted:
October 12, 2005 at 12:35 pm #26152
October 12, 2005 at 12:47 pm #26156
October 12, 2005 at 1:22 pm #26158
Hrm, interesting question. The law talks about “supplying X to minors” so if its the parent who demands the game despite being told its unsuitable would they then also be answerable in the eys of the law?
Funny that you mention the bit about retailers not wanting to inform parents about the suitability of games. I was in store awhile back and a kid wanted to buy GTA3, the guy goes “Sorry mate, I can’t sell you that but if you get one of your parents to get it for you then its cool.” I was just standing there…gobmacked…
While were mention certification by the way. You guys see Land Of The Dead? 15A my ass!
October 12, 2005 at 1:44 pm #26159
While were mention certification by the way. You guys see Land Of The Dead? 15A my ass![/quote:f2ec9bb481]
Nope is any good?
October 12, 2005 at 1:52 pm #26160
Very very good actually. Different kind of horror to Dawn Of The Dead, in fact its not scary at all bar a few jumps its more the visceral gory horror of the old days…i like. :D
October 12, 2005 at 2:55 pm #26164
While were mention certification by the way. You guys see Land Of The Dead? 15A my ass![/quote:a440381611]
I assume it’s one of those “artistic license” phenomena. A bit like nudity and sex in French movies is completely OK, because “yeah, but it’s not gratuitous sex, it’s part of the story!”.
Like, George Romero isn’t a “horror movie director” anymore… he has become an “artist” at this point. Therefore the gore is “part of the story, not gratuitous”.
Bullshit, but hey, I am not the one doing it :P
October 13, 2005 at 9:13 pm #26218
Looks like hes still flexing all the muscles except the one upstairs.
GED DOO DA CHOBBA GO ON GO ON DOO IDDDDDDD
October 14, 2005 at 8:22 am #26228
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October 14, 2005 at 12:59 pm #26259
And now the Japanese governement are starting to get involved too, requesting violent game labelling.
October 14, 2005 at 3:12 pm #26267
dude, Germany have been there before anyone I can think of.
I still remember reading parts of the code of Halflife in their SDK, and you had switchd like
They have some very very strict rules about what is and isn’t acceptable violence in games, over there. And it’s probably a good thing, if you ask me.
October 14, 2005 at 3:40 pm #26273
In germany video games are toys. They are not classed as media they are toys, hence the german stance on things.
October 14, 2005 at 3:42 pm #26274
Actually carmageddon was one of the first games I heard of that had to have the colour of the blood changed…
October 14, 2005 at 4:11 pm #26277
Well, I just know that a lot of games that are considered violent and rated as such in other places are simply banned in Germany.
I believe the “if you turn the blood green, it’s OK” thing is a sort of compromise they made. But I am not aware of the details, only the fact that there is such a thing as a “German switch” in some games.
October 15, 2005 at 6:57 pm #26286
In the german and korean versions of half-life the marines were replaced with robots and in counterstrike hostages sit down when shot.
October 15, 2005 at 7:14 pm #26288
Seriously? Thats a bit on the weird side.
October 17, 2005 at 3:48 pm #26330
well, at least it less hypocritical/ambiguous than the American way.
It’s a way of seeing things, you know. A bit like in France you can’t just go around waving Nazi flags. That’s illegal. For an American (or an English, in a slightly less excessive, stiff upper lip way :wink: ) that would be depriving them of their God given right to walk around in white cone hats, to me (being French), it’s simply being respectful of other people feelings, without needing to invent a concept like political correctness… I mean… political correctness? I am sorry, it just doesn’t make any sense.
*reads back* :oops: OK, OK, I am ranting again…
October 18, 2005 at 8:19 am #26344
A bit like in France you can’t just go around waving Nazi flags. That’s illegal.[/quote:3788cd11df]
And is the same excuse for France restricting the religious freedoms of its minorities :)
October 18, 2005 at 10:08 am #26354
Did realise it before, but in Australia they highest rating they have is MA15+. Anything they deem higher than that doesn’t make it to the shelves…
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