Dark Water Studio Anounce new title

Sister companies. One makes middleware tools the other games. While darkwater is a split off company there is no crossover in staff. I attended an Instinct presentation recently and while they have the advantage of being being able to work closely with darkwater there is a clear division.

Plus hay two companies in the irish game industry is better than one right. :)
Best of luck to them.

Sister companies. One makes middleware tools the other games. While darkwater is a split off company there is no crossover in staff. I attended an Instinct presention recently and while they have the advantage of being being able to work closely with darkwater there is a clear division.

Plus hay two companies in the irish game industry is better than one right. :)
Best of luck to them.[/quote:b55b6eaa83]

Funny i heard the opposite, that there was cross over of staff?

No man can serve two masters. :)

Funny i heard the opposite, that there was cross over of staff?[/quote:e09e654761]

I think that could have been the case in the very beginning but not any more, I could be wrong though

what do you guys make of the actual game.[/quote:ec13e9efa0]

you know, i was thinking of applying to darkwater studios after i finish college as an artist. after seeing this, i dont think i will.
its an embarasment releasing images like this from a supposedly "commercial" studio. the planes look like they are made of plastic. hello?? do your research people! wood and canvas. and look at the landscape!!! argh!! anyone want to bet that i could make assets better than these in a week. on my own. and some clown is getting payed to do this? i will kill him and take over.

do i appear angry? i guess i am. its deppressing, but there seems no way out of having to leave the country of my birth once i finish college if i hope to work in anything except third rate trash and mobile games. to tell you the truth, i dont want to leave ireland. but things like this are a real embarasment. when england, a slightly larger island just over there >> can pump out triple A games every year (and a load of crap) without the help and assistance of major govenment funding. and this is the best we can show for ourselves?
and as re; instinct tech? they charge a fortune for a second rate engine that has been playing catch up since doom3, but never really managing it. how much funding has been pumped into that company? its not exactly an indie start up. what has it been doing? ARGH!!!

now excuse me while i go and take my pills and think happy thoughts.

"March 2008 gamers will be able to download and play the initial promotional version free of charge."

It’s Free people! And march 08 = plenty of polish time. Also Dog fighting = fun in my mind, so if they get the controls and gameplay right sign me up. Whats first platform though?

"March 2008 gamers will be able to download and play the initial promotional version free of charge."

It’s Free people! And march 08 = plenty of polish time. Also Dog fighting = fun in my mind, so if they get the controls and gameplay right sign me up. Whats first platform though?[/quote:d819a20735]

pc id imagine, doubt they’re developing on 360 and ps3. sounds like its a tech demo, possibly similar to dreadnought.

ne one heref rom dark -water-studio on these forums?

A few of them are on here and come to the shindigs. Right now it looks like they’re busy planning world domination!

wich members?

what do you guys make of the actual game.[/quote:6a1f108cc1]

you know, i was thinking of applying to darkwater studios after i finish college as an artist. after seeing this, i dont think i will.
its an embarasment releasing images like this from a supposedly "commercial" studio. the planes look like they are made of plastic. hello?? do your research people! wood and canvas. and look at the landscape!!! argh!! anyone want to bet that i could make assets better than these in a week. on my own. and some clown is getting payed to do this? i will kill him and take over.

do i appear angry? i guess i am. its deppressing, but there seems no way out of having to leave the country of my birth once i finish college if i hope to work in anything except third rate trash and mobile games. to tell you the truth, i dont want to leave ireland. but things like this are a real embarasment. when england, a slightly larger island just over there >> can pump out triple A games every year (and a load of crap) without the help and assistance of major govenment funding. and this is the best we can show for ourselves?
and as re; instinct tech? they charge a fortune for a second rate engine that has been playing catch up since doom3, but never really managing it. how much funding has been pumped into that company? its not exactly an indie start up. what has it been doing? ARGH!!!

now excuse me while i go and take my pills and think happy thoughts.[/quote:6a1f108cc1]

heh, nice post irishlostboy, cutting but very true. Not the worst looking game ive ever seen from an irish development company but it does look like freeware, a bit embarressing. Hope it plays well.

PeterB, I also love the quotes :). this kinda spiel makes me nauseous.

Good luck to them !

Its a good test of the instinct tech to make a non FPS.

heh, nice post irishlostboy, cutting but very true. Not the worst looking game ive ever seen from an irish development company but it does look like freeware, a bit embarressing. Hope it plays well..[/quote:494c71d8ea]

I believe it is freeware ;)

The first phase of Dogfighter will launch in March 2008 when gamers will be able to download and play the initial promotional version free of charge.[/quote:494c71d8ea]

@IrishLostBoy

I think you are missing the point with England, look at their population in comparison to ours. Also look at the development companies, their foundation started when the games industry had far lower barriers to entry.

If Ireland had alot of development teams back in the 80’s working on all manner of games the market would have evolved differently from where it is now. Unfortunately we didn’t have that growth period (not saying it wasn’t there, it just didn’t sustain itself like in England, US, Australia) and now the barriers to entry are very high making it more and more difficult for development teams to start.

Although for some reason most developers think that AAA games are the point of entry, and they are expecting AAA dev houses to just pop up around the country. While it is the smaller indie dev teams making mobile games, XBLA, PSN games that stand the greatest chance of getting their foot in the door. It’s a market, a starting point and not something to be made light of.

(Just my opinion, not actually based on hard facts…)

I also would have thought you would go the freelance route, given your contracting experience?

best chance is porting games to get into the biz sumo digital are a perfect example of this entry point and now their making full blown AAA titles.

although for a company trying to showcase a set of tech, porting a game may not be the best option for them. Unless they are free to use their own engine in which case it should be fine.

Out of interest though is the porting market rather tied up? I would assume that publishers have a set of IP and trusted dev houses they would use for such things. A company with no track record how would they fair at getting such a port?

I’ve only ever looked into Existing IP and developing games from them, not taking existing games and porting them. From what I found large publishers typically snapped up all IP that was worthwhile, and dished them out to their trusted network of dev houses.

Perhaps it’s a different ball game for porting games, where any house can make a tender for the port. In which case it’s probably something darkwater or any dev house in Ireland should consider.

Although for some reason most developers think that AAA games are the point of entry, and they are expecting AAA dev houses to just pop up around the country. While it is the smaller indie dev teams making mobile games, XBLA, PSN games that stand the greatest chance of getting their foot in the door. It’s a market, a starting point and not something to be made light of.

(Just my opinion, not actually based on hard facts…)

I also would have thought you would go the freelance route, given your contracting experience?[/quote:c7b212ca53]

but like arent instinct/dark water studio going for years, remember dreadnought the demo they did?
http://www.gamedevelopers.ie/news/viewnews.php?article=224
that was 2 years ago

I know their history, but they have not shipped a commercial title. For that reason I do not understand why people would expect them to be releasing AAA titles out of the game. From what I can see is they are setting up their "Bread & Butter" before going after something larger.

I would also say that the dreadnought demo for AMD was developed by a different Team / Company.

I know their history, but they have not shipped a commercial title. For that reason I do not understand why people would expect them to be releasing AAA titles out of the game. From what I can see is they are setting up their "Bread & Butter" before going after something larger.

I would also say that the dreadnought demo for AMD was developed by a different Team / Company.[/quote:1489d2b365]

It wasent a different team, fair enough a few left but a few are still there. gallagher lads etc. Pete on here can clear this debate all up. But last time i heard (sept) they were the same place in reality.

No debate from me, I really don’t know enough about it to debate it.

I just feel peoples expectations for startup studios to go straight into AAA games is at times un-called for. There is nothing wrong with casual or social games, nor anything wrong with tech demos or other development projects. Once it pays the bills and it’s the direction the company wants to go why not.

To dismiss a development team because you don’t like the look of their screenshots is rather silly and all you are doing is limiting your options.

Also read in mcv uk today mike gamble has left instinct to go to in2games wasent he hailed as good experienced hire. he didnt stick it out long did he?

I believe I had an interesting email chain going with Mike 6 months ago, although I would like to confirm it was him before I post so I won’t go into details.

Let’s just say http://www.1944d-day.com had money to spend on an engine (Alot of money) and Instinct Engine was an option until we were declined. I have no idea why, especially when we had the money but we got turned away.

But I think we landed on our feet regardless ;)

I suspect this will be discussed at the shindig on Friday night … Ronan and Peter – you may not be around but we can fill you in on some of it afterwards..

didn’t know Mike G had left..

Aphra.

> had money to spend on an engine (Alot of money) and Instinct Engine was an option until we were declined

Yikes – I’d like to hear some time why you were declined, as money tends to be king when making decisions like that.

I didn’t realise Mike G left Instict either – he was one of the most connected people in the UK games industry, so hopefully the Torc guys got a lot of contacts out of his time there.
Mal

They look better.
Its just a shame the terrain is empty. Can’t imagine its high on the making-gameplay good list, but its the simple things that make the difference.

It has a very Crimson Skies vibe to it which can only be a good thing in my books. Plus it’s still in development and the kind of terrain detail people seem to be expecting will be added in good time I’m sure. :)

Plus it’s still in development and the kind of terrain detail people seem to be expecting will be added in good time I’m sure.[/quote:132b664e8a]
This i know, but screen shots are screen shots. You should NEVER EVER produce crap ones. You try your hardest never to give marketing a bad screen shot, because if you do, you know thats going to be the one that makes it into the magazines. Screen shots should always show off whats best. Never show one that has something you’re not happy with. If someone can find something wrong with one, so will other people.

Plus it’s still in development and the kind of terrain detail people seem to be expecting will be added in good time I’m sure.[/quote:15aa1ee7a0]
This i know, but screen shots are screen shots. You should NEVER EVER produce crap ones. You try your hardest never to give marketing a bad screen shot, because if you do, you know thats going to be the one that makes it into the magazines. Screen shots should always show off whats best. Never show one that has something you’re not happy with. If someone can find something wrong with one, so will other people.[/quote:15aa1ee7a0]

True, the fact that they recently changed their screenshots on the site meant they were not confident with the ones they had previously posted. When we took screen shots of Rally, the amount of mulling over each one got before it was released to the press was enormous.

reminds a bit of blazing angles. hope it plays like it also

I hope it’s the opposite of blazing angels, that game sucked! Something that didn’t feel just like ace combat with a different skin would be nice. Something that actually felt like you were chugging along in an old bi-plane

no blazin angels was good though. so come on dark horse studio and tell us when the beta multiplayer testing starts andhow do we get some keys :P

will there be an open beta for dday 1944 i wonder

1944 will not be open beta. Beta Testers will be selected from the community and various competitions we have run and will run in the future.

this community? or another one?

The 1944d-day.com community. Anyway lets not hijack the thread.

what about all those preorder guys, dont they get a look in? seems there is life in the worldwar2 genre yet
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=88677

sould have been out in febuary according to the pdf must have a google. still nothing for 1944 though

is it possible this is out already there seems to be some websit have a look on google

still nothing for 1944 though[/quote:1837e3f95e]

Probably as this is a thread about Dark Water Studios and their forth coming demo.

should we start a 1944 tread? :roll: