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DS – Touch Screen, GBA compatibility. Good Price. BlueTooth. Innovative. Brillant. If you cannot see that Nintendo are again trying to inject new life into things then you just don’t get it.
Hopefuly it will force developers to create new content rather than lazy ports.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2004-05-11-nintendo-ds_x.htm
I want to see a high res image at the moment it seems cheap-ish looking plastic.
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according to Sony the PSP is not competing against the other existing handhelds as they are creating a new type of device[/quote:36dfc04343]
hehe….i couldn’t believe it when they said that…who were they trying to fool??
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“They [N5] must offer different playing experience – something no other machine has done before . Our vision of a new machine must be different. I want you to know that Nintendo is embarking on our next system and that system will create a gaming revolution.”
Hmm….could this be something real special. Lets hope!
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OH my god, this is probably Nintendo’s best E3 ever!
Have you seen the stuff they are putting out and their confident attitude – amazing!
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What a show!
Zelda video:
http://www.gameforms.com/games/gcn/zelda2/media/media3/WarioWare DS
Touch Screen in action – ah the possibilities…Advance Wars Under Fire GameCube:
Bit Early in development – Pikmin ElementsPaper Mario 2:
Brillant!Metroid Prime: Hunters:
Holy Sheet, the DS is powerful :DVideos:
http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=5293 -
This article has some interesting thoughts on the DS:
In addition to 802.11, the DS will use “Nintendo’s proprietary communications protocol”, which in addition to yielding “low battery consumption” has presumably been optimised for LAN gaming. It also supports the (presumably secure) transfer of game code from one device to another, so that not every handheld user needs to have bought the game on a card. This is a very interesting tactic, which – if developers support it – not only removes a key barrier to players making the most of WLAN gaming, but serves a demo service for the full game.
Enjoyed the multi-player version? Then go out and buy the single-player version – and get access to all the multi-player levels too.[/quote:d059d5ecf1]
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Whats got me most excited about E3 2004?
1. The new Zelda – finally Nintendo have listened to the fans and are bringing a mature, standard graphical affair. Wind Waker was very good…..but Nintendo needs to realise that games these days are a package – Gameplay, Atmosphere(Story, Graphics, Sound) and Multiplayer. Nintendos constant stubborness in regards to some of these elements is very frustrating. Yes, Nintendo, gameplay is the most important thing, but that doesn’t mean you can push all the other elements to one side and basically ignore them! In my opinion Wind Waker had little in terms of atmosphere. They alienated certain Zelda fans, and general gamers with their choice of the “Chibi” look, which looks great and colorful and cartoony, but hardly allows for the game to be taken seriously, which is what a story driven game like Zelda needs. This new Zelda looks like it will change all that.
2. Halo 2 – Speaks for itself
3. Half-Life 2 – ditto
For the future I am very exited about the Nintendo “Revolution”, to refer to it by its codename. Hopefully Nintendo have realised that vthe ideogames industry is no longer a niche market of hardcore gamers who will buy games soley based on stagnant franchises. Gamers these days want an entertainment package, not just something fun and simple.
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Fight Club.
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I have to say, Well done Nintendo. I believe, and im sure many of you will agree, that they are headed in the right direction.
Seems like it has been a magnificent E3 for Nintendo, they whole stole the limelight from everyone and for all the right reasons.
Im hugely impressed with the Nintendo DS. Opens the door in so many ways, especially for developers who can use their creativity is so many possible directions. Its what the industry needs in my opinion. Its the start of a new wave of original and innovative titles. And the PSP? Not so impressive. I can see sony green with envy.. Although im sure the PSP will still do quite well for itself.
The only grudge i have against the DS so far is the size and clunkyness of the device. Its not so bad, its just that it looks a little outdated and for those of you who remember the supervision? Seems a little familiar in terms of shape, size.
Im only nit picking, but overall im really happy that Nintendo are trying something truly different. Thank you Nintendo, and i know where il be the morning the DS is released.
Not to mention the new Zelda title for the cube.. :) I simply cannot wait.
The future is bright.
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Yup good times :D
Nintendo have stated that the design is not final on the DS, I also think that it needs a bit more of GBA SP-ness about it. It looks like a cheapo prototype at the moment :)
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Fight Club[/quote:4d7a8090e8]
“I am Jack’s dissimilar real time double”
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Whats got me most excited about E3 2004?
For the future I am very exited about the Nintendo “Revolution”, to refer to it by its codename. Hopefully Nintendo have realised that vthe ideogames industry is no longer a niche market of hardcore gamers who will buy games soley based on stagnant franchises. Gamers these days want an entertainment package, not just something fun and simple. [/quote:37d35429c9]Nintendo have done very well out of their niche market though in terms of pure profit.
I’m taking issue with your “fun and simple” comment though. The apparently simplicity of the controls in Nintendo games is generally because the control systems are so incredibly well thought out.
More buttons in controls is generally a case of bad design.
It’s a case of the “ballet dancer syndrome” – ballet dancers look graceful but not because they are airy and wispy. It’s because they are rock hard with the sheer muscle to make it look easy.
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I like nintendo stuff, and they’ve brought out some very good titles, and usually have very high quality games, but I’m not sure this much hype about the DS is warranted?
>Dual Screens:
But can you look at them both at once? The mario kart screen shot makes me wonder – will I have time in a racing game to look down at the other screen? (think fighter-pilots) Will it actually be useful? I don’t know that i’d like to fight a boss who was on both screens at once.
I’ll reserve judgement until I play it – although FF:Cyrstal Chronicles appears to test similar funcationality, and succeed. Some sorts of games could work.>802.11
It appears to be 802.11 and not bluetooth theyve went for – that’s pretty cool in some ways – but doesn’t it have a bit of a reputation for eating battery? Battery is very important in portable gaming, maybe bluetooth would have been better? Does the advantage of the 802.11 range over bluetooth make that much of a difference?>Wireless Game Sharing:
GBA did something like this, only few games supported it, will be interesting to see how well it works.>Hopefuly it will force developers to create new content rather >than lazy ports.
It’s always nice to see innovation – a problem I had with the gameboy advance was the vast number of SNES games that were sold for it. Nintendo definitely made money on those titles, for the obvious reasons (proven gameplay, market, lots of work done etc.) We’re also seeing this strategy used with the GC, Windwaker shipping with Ocarina of time, as an example.
I find it hard to imagine them abandoning this source of cheap, proven games.
Also, they’re going to be up against it with the mobile phone companies (not to mention sony)
I find it really interesting that nokia have their second iteration nearly to market. They screwed up the ngage, but given their resources, their marketting, and the fact they can sell the ngage for 99euro etc, it might be a tough time to be nintendo, and the DS.Finally…
anyone remember the last two-screen console nintendo brought out?
It got a lot of hype too…>of course according to Sony the PSP is not competing against >the other existing handhelds as they are creating a new type of >device…this new announcement adds a bit of spice to the >handheld market..
To be honest, and some of the other posters indicated they feel likewise, I have a hard time believing this. (maybe I lack information?)
Someone mentioned at the talk it could be entering the market as the next walkman.
But with the Sony Vaio Pocket realesed soon, and probably hearlding the start of a new line of sony iPods, it’s hard to see them positioning the PSP as a music player. No HDD for a start.
Also, it’s not a PDA, and its not a next gen phone, so it probably doesn’t do the communications (no phone) or organiser(no stylus) facilities well. Is there other functionality one might use to try sell a next gen walkman?
It’s hard to know what else it is Sony think people will buy the PSP for (apart from games). Maybe watching movies on the go, but I doubt it. They didn’t indicate that users would be provided with utilities for converting standard meida types onto their propriatary disk – meaning if I have a copy of a movie on DVD, or music on CD, I may have to buy another copy on their disk format to watch it… echos of Minidisc…
Finally, they didn’t mention the price tag directly at the talk, but there was some indication that it wouldn’t be heavily subsidised, hence expensive.
I’m not saying it won’t be succesful as a games machine, but I have my doubts as to whether it will be the killer do-everything portable Sony might want us to believe.
Of course, it’s early days yet…
would be curious to hear how others feel it will go?Must make shorter posts! :)
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I’m taking issue with your “fun and simple” comment though. The apparently simplicity of the controls in Nintendo games is generally because the control systems are so incredibly well thought out.
[/quote:0a7fe71e3c]Nintendo have stated that they think gamers want simple games that they can pick up, play for a small amount of time and put down again. When I said “fun and simple” it wasn’t just about controls, it is about Nintendo’s philoshophy on what they feel gamers want.
But I think they are wrong. Gamers want deep, story driven, atmospheric, technically advanced games.
With games like Zelda, RE:4 and Killer 7 on the way, maybe Nintendo finally realise this.
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PSP promotes watching movies…but on a small screen??[/quote:93d9da885f]
This also reduces the battery life to a measly 2 and a half hours….
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Also, will people buy movies on a UMD if they already shelled out for the DVD version?
If I could put my…um… ‘art avi’s’ onto the thing I would get one.
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You’d probably need a dedicated UMD burner?
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“I am Jack’s dissimilar real time double”[/quote:aa4498d07e]
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*Cinema voiceover *
“Coming soon, to a games system near you…..from the publisher that brought you the Xcellent Xbox Bruce Lee adventure comes another franchise rape…Fight Club! This summer gamers everywhere will be in pain ……asking ‘why????'”
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Nintendo have stated that they think gamers want simple games that they can pick up, play for a small amount of time and put down again. When I said “fun and simple” it wasn’t just about controls, it is about Nintendo’s philoshophy on what they feel gamers want.
But I think they are wrong. Gamers want deep, story driven, atmospheric, technically advanced games.
With games like Zelda, RE:4 and Killer 7 on the way, maybe Nintendo finally realise this. [/quote:fb3d88ffe1]
Fair enough but do you not think Zelda: Ocarina of Time was a deep, story driven, technically advanced game? Or Majora’s Mask?
As for atmospheric. I can think of few Nintendo games without bags of atmosphere. Sometimes sunny, sometimes gloomy.
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I think it’s good they are returning to more traditional graphics – I really didn’t like the cel shaded look of the wind waker, although its a matter of taste.
Did anyone else find the gameplay in wind waker a bit lacking? It seems to have gotten good reviews, but I found some bit’s i thought were quite flawed, like the stupid filler sailing (and I like sailing in real life) and other monotonous bits.
>Fair enough but do you not think Zelda: Ocarina of Time was a >deep, story driven, technically advanced game? Or Majora’s >Mask?
I thought ocarina of time was a very good game, and all of the above. Majoras mask too, even though it wasn’t made by nintendo.
>1. The new Zelda – finally Nintendo have listened to the fans >and are bringing a mature, standard graphical affair. Wind >Waker was very good…..but Nintendo needs to realise that >games these days are a package – Gameplay, Atmosphere
>(Story, Graphics, Sound) and Multiplayer. Nintendos constant >stubborness in regards to some of these elements is very >frustrating.Good points. I read an interview with Miyamoto somewhere, his attitude was that they create certain types of characters and games, and if some players don’t like it, then that’s tough…
Its long being a criticism of nintendo that they are too focused on the sort of games that used to sell well, back in the days of the SNES (and a younger market demographic), and havnt really copped on to the whole mature market the Sony targetted.
This is the same company that used to forbid references to alcohol or sex in their games, and have strict guidelines governing what could and couldn’t be in a nintendo title.
In the zelda video, it says ‘shields will shatter’. The shield doesn’t shatter.
It says ‘swords will bleed’.
The sword hits the monster, but there’s no blood.Anyone else find this amusing? :)
I think nintendo are walking an interesting line – title’s like metroid prime, and the new zelda seem to be aimed at more mature audiences, but nintendo seem still unwilling to make them gritty, or dark – there’s no blood for a start, and the villians seem to be comic book, not too far remvoed from the days of bowser.
Has the gaming market moved on beyond that? Do gamers indeed want more mature stories and atmosphere in their games, and if so will nintendo give it to them, or continue to sell to the pokemon market? It’ll be interesting to see.
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Majora’s mask not made by Nintendo?
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>Majora’s mask not made by Nintendo?
Sorry, my bad, it was in fact made by nintendo – was under the impression they had the production done partly by another company.
Must have gotten mixed up with metroid prime!
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Fair enough but do you not think Zelda: Ocarina of Time was a deep, story driven, technically advanced game? Or Majora’s Mask?
They were on the N64. But for the Gamecube/GBA era Nintendo have said they are concentrating on quick and simple, fun games.
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Fair enough but do you not think Zelda: Ocarina of Time was a deep, story driven, technically advanced game? Or Majora’s Mask?
They were on the N64. But for the Gamecube/GBA era Nintendo have said they are concentrating on quick and simple, fun games.
This is what I was referring to. [/quote:c47ea91a75]I’m sorry but Majora’s Mask is a technically advanced game even now with it’s ‘three day’ system of interweaving stories.
It is not as graphically advanced maybe but it pushes the machine to it’s limits.
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Zelda on DS :D
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http://www.e3insider.com/floored.htm
video clips from this year’s E3 floor, including Sony & Nontendo’s pre-show announcements, Doom3, Halo2, HL2, PSP, DS, etc, etc
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