Programmers

Hey, thats a good line!!

Bisides, if you works on your machine, it makes it trickier to debug to find out why it doesn’t work on an artists, especially as artists never have Visual Studio installed, so you can’t debug it on their machine :)

Its because artists dont know how to follow the instructions.

Real men don’t need instructions

Real men don’t read, they shoot!

And programmers dont need to be bothered by artists who would rather complain and waste our time than RTFMing.

art heads grrrrr…..

“Artists do not prove things. They do not need to. They know them.” George Bernard Shaw

nuff said….

Thus proving that artists are completely useless (without programmers…)?

graphics sell games, so artists keep programmers in work.

and programming sells 3d models ;) keeping artists in work
I could go on and be all profound but bleh artists

True, its a vicious cycle, I reckon we should all just try to get along and blame everything on the game designers instead.

Yesssss…..

Lets all ‘get along’

*readies knife in the back…*

Or maybe its all the producers fault……….what do they actually do anyway?

*walks away from thread leaving behing a can of worms nicely opened*

*walks away from thread leaving behing a can of worms nicely opened*[/quote:d1788a3ce9]

…More like a nail bomb

graphics sell games, so artists keep programmers in work.[/quote:fef6f1a992]
As artists are responsible for the down-turn in game-play. Programmers are too busy trying to make them happy to be able to innovate and make games good :)

Or maybe its all the producers fault……….what do they actually do anyway? [/quote:fef6f1a992]
Don’t get me started…just don’t…not today. I’ll get myself fired.

Kind of reminds me Game AI.com’s “famous last words” and “you know your game is in trouble when…”

Well worth checking out if you have a few minutes to spare.

http://www.gameai.com/

You know your game is in trouble when…

…you give the artists any kind of creative control.

Don’t get me started…just don’t…not today. I’ll get myself fired.[/quote:ab9a615e94]

If the programmers were the ones with the creative control, games would only have gotten as far as pong with 3 colours. As it is, programmers have to nozzle crotches of artists for inspiration like hungry dogs. “please give me something interesting to program, please!”

You can get yourself fired now Damian.

You know your game is in trouble when…

…when Jesus appears in your texture maps.

Isn’t that refering to Half Life….

I think you’re talking about designers, not artists and certainly not about producers. Artists, and producers for that matter, who think they are designers are just problems.

If the programmers were the ones with the creative control, games would only have gotten as far as pong with 3 colours.[/quote:67e349b037]
If it’s not broken…

Pong’s fantastic!

Bloody artists, always trying to fix the things that arent broken…

Bloody artists, always trying to fix the things that arent broken…[/quote:6d64a6cd74]
Nah they don’t.
They never try fix things, just come straight to the programmers and complain its broken. Have they got latest? Have they followed the documents you wrote for them to follow ? No…cos they know best. :x

There seems to be a lot of anger here….

it’s the programmer lifestyle of monitor light and masturbation that gets them this way…

I’d also like to disassociate myself in every way possible from the previous post ;)

He has issues!

I’d also like to disassociate myself in every way possible from the previous post ;)
He has issues![/quote:defc70d231]
Must be the people he works with.

So by your “logic” kearney the game store would have nothing else but Pong on the shelf – oh in a range of colours of course – as long as it’s less than 4!

As long as it’s easy to program – I mean of course, that’s all that really matters in the market place! ;)

Oh I can see the Skycorp TV ads now:
Out Now PONG 2005!
Plays just like Pong 2004 but it was simple to program (now with 4 real colours)

So by your “logic” kearney the game store would have nothing else but Pong on the shelf – oh in a range of colours of course – as long as it’s less than 4! [/quote:e8d6027658]
At this rate, you are heading towards producer status!

By my logic, as I tried to explain above in such a fashion that even an artist such as yourself could understand, if I program PONG, it will SAY pong on the box, NOT half life 3.

Awesome! Whats your suggestion on gameplay?

You better believe it!

DAVE KEARNEY’s PONG 2006 Pastel edition.
Now with 4 brand new colours !!!1

LMAO :lol:

You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…
Ahlala

The only people that should be taken to a public place, naked, coated in tar and feathers, doused with gasoline then set alight and possibly allowed to run towards the nearest water cleaning plant are the suits that have turned the hobby into an industry, or dare I say it, a business.

Philippe

You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…[/quote:452658f0ba]
The only advantage of trying to be an artist and programmer is that you can get flamed by both sides who both hate you with equal disdain.

LOL. I don’t know, I never get flamed.
I make it a point not to try to bother the “other side”, rather I try to get them to the other side so that there are a little less flames in this harsh world.

Yes, let’s all have a group hug, now :wink:

Philippe

ps. Of course, as your saying goes, I am a Master of None. Me I just see it as a way not to become too specialised. So boring…

LOL. I don’t know, I never get flamed.
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Now thats just asking for trouble :twisted:

You guys should try and do like me and actually do Art AND Programming. You’d see the irony of this kind of flame wars…[/quote:7856cc99ca]

I am friends with a very good psychologist, I could pass on your number if you want…..

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Just in case ye all mised this yesterday evening… Dave’s ultimate gaming experience ;)

More on page two of this thread too ;) Your not getting out of it that easy kearney!!!

Dragging up old dirt again are we!

Yeah it’s so old…yer game is kicking off a right pong!!!!

I’ll get my coat!

I am friends with a very good psychologist, I could pass on your number if you want…..[/quote:dee70f3598]
LOL, yeah I remember my Fine Arts teachers looking at me like I was crazy when I said I was doing a Bac S (Scientist) instead of the usual Literary one…
what can I say, I only came to programming because for me it’s a nice creative discipline, just like any other form of art, really. Probably why I am as messy and disorganised than your usual nerd :wink:

Philippe

So you want to be a programmer, and not an artist?

Sorry, but if anyone mentons these so called “Artist-Programmers” again I’m going to have to kill them.

Thats enough now

Artists – back to pretty pictures, programmers – don’t you have some documentation to write up? like ALL of it? No? Course you don’t, you document as you code don’t you?

Well, it’s not like artists can read anyway…

Yeah, and sending emails to say where documentation is, is pointless to because artists don’t read them either. :p

LMAO :P

Skyclad : I _am_ a programmer. I just find it terribly tedious, once in a while. Then I start doing fun stuff like openGL and I remember why I liked it in the first place.

pkelly83: well… I suppose you wouldn’t be the first who wants to kill me :oops: usually it’s my bosses :P The people I help, on the other hand, they are just happy to be talking with someone with actual social skills (like, I can speak English, rather than nerd-speak)

What types of jobs can you get from studing programming?

Art type people read good sometime….at least we no smell like cabbage. :P

What exactly is this nonsense now ? Why can’t everyone just get along.. Sigh.. :roll:

To programmers:

Artists are not a waste of your time. Your fancy pixel shaders and uber-cool graphics engine will look like complete and utter s**te unless you have talented artists producing the goods that can back it up. So give them the tools that they need, make things as easy as possible for them to express themselves and get the job done. Stop begruding them just because they might not have the same level of technical expertise or knowledge of computers as you do, everyone cannot be good at everything.

To artists:

Programmers are not all nerds, serial killers or star trek geeks. They do not smell and they are for the most part are actually quite approachable. Talk to them and you will see that. Let them know what you need and I’m sure they will listen. You are not cooler than them, you do not have a better taste in things or better social skills. Without them you’re stuff is going nowhere so learn to appreciate that.

Now let that be the end of it. :lol:

Ok you have a point. Maybe "Programmers are not all nerds, serial killers or star trek geeks. They do not smell and they are for the most part are actually quite approachable." maybe its just the ones I know ;) And there are worse things then star trek geeks…Babylon 5 geeks!

What types of jobs can you get from studing programming?[/quote:e046ddc1b2]…programming jobs

gameplay programming
graphics programming
audio programming
network programming
physics programming
animation programming
tools programming
etc.

thank you gus!!
As and artist and a noob programmer, people without each other your useless :D

To programmers:

Artists are not a waste of your time. [/quote:037bde884a]
Quite right!

Artists are a waste of everyone’s time!

Dave

To programmers:

Artists are not a waste of your time. [/quote:fee9cad58f]
Quite right!

Artists are a waste of everyone’s time!

Dave[/quote:fee9cad58f]

Oh I give up, I may as well be trying to bring about world peace… :lol:

I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?

I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?[/quote:4d01d5a9c2]
Cos they’re irrelevant.

I would just like to point out that designers have gotten off very easy in this. Why do you think that is?[/quote:09c408a1ab]
Cos they’re irrelevant.[/quote:09c408a1ab]

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