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June 11, 2004 at 9:29 am #3254
Just a favour to ask, and if anyone could help it would be great.
IGDA and GameDevelopers.ie are looking to put forward information on the Irish games industry in a booklet/website of some sort to promote and make schools aware of the job opportunities that the games industry has to offer. As part of this, I am putting together job profiles for the various different types of jobs available, such as development, audio, music, networking, business, legal, basically anything related to games.
I am looking to make contact with as many Irish people working in games companies abroad, or people on the boards who have worked full time for a period of time with a games company, and here’s where you can help.
If you know Irish people working abroad who you think might be interested, please send them an email about it, and if they are interested in taking part, ask them to email me at jamiemc1 guessatnospam eircom.net, or check if it’s ok and send me their email address. Basically what is required is that I will email them a word file containing a list of questions that can be filled in by them, and possibly a follow-up phone call to clarify or expand on some of the details.
Damian has already provided me with a few contacts, and I have a few of my own that I’m going to try from my journo days, but any help would be appreciated. Email or GD.ie Private Message is the best way to reach me.
Cheers lads and ladies
June 11, 2004 at 11:21 am #12665AnonymousInactive
you can contact Paul McLaughlin (art lead from Lionhead) through his GD profile)
you might also like to contact the admin folks on the IGDA main site… they have 190 Irish members in ther database. feel free to name drop the Irish chapter members if it helps
June 11, 2004 at 1:21 pm #12667
Can’t email him so I’ve sent him a few PM’s which he’ll hopefully get.
As for anyone else reading this working in Ireland, if you’d like to get involved in doing an interview, please email me or PM me.
June 11, 2004 at 1:39 pm #12669AnonymousInactive
i’ll mention it to him when i’m contacting him next (next week some time). i’ll let you how i get on
June 14, 2004 at 8:58 pm #12723
have another person signed up who said they’d help, Tony, Aphra check your IM’s
June 15, 2004 at 12:25 pm #12737AnonymousInactive
Even though I am abroad, I dont think you’d want to contact me,
my message to the kids would be – ‘drop out of school get cause its shit. Get focused and go do what you really want to do’
June 15, 2004 at 12:34 pm #12741AnonymousInactive
That kinda assumes you know exactly what you want to do when you are 15/16. Most people dont, and most of the people that do only think they do…
June 15, 2004 at 12:36 pm #12742AnonymousInactive
Yup, the neon lights and golden paved streets of Dundee called me from an early age.
June 15, 2004 at 2:32 pm #12751AnonymousInactive
I have all summer to continue striving towards what I love.
Ivan – If you don’t mind me asking, how far did you take you education? Did you stop upon completing your GCSEs or perhaps A levels?
I’d be interested to know cause you haven’t done all that bad for yourself. Don’t worry if you don’t want to answer that here, I’ll bug you on msn about it. :D
June 15, 2004 at 10:53 pm #12785AnonymousInactive
Sheesh…you northern irish….we don’t do those silly exams…its junior and leaving cert down this direction.
I hope the contacts I set you up with are of use jamie!
June 16, 2004 at 6:39 am #12788AnonymousInactive
Is the geneal feeling here one of “school is rubbish and you should leave”?, I find that hard to believe, unless ye all went to rubbish schools. Ithink the best way to go about things is to just do what you see as interesting provided you have finished school. So far I’ve got my degree in graphic design,web design, and image illustration… now I’m at 3d modeling and programming, I think learning at your own pace and being patient is the best route to partail success, anyway’s ronny after your post in the msn and especially because your only 18, you’ve got loads of time to refine your education, heck you’ve probably got 3-4 years on the rest of us. By the time i finish the second level Ludo course i’ll be 24, and one of the guys in my class this year already left because he was 23-24 and decided that the time for education was over,mind you he was pretty skilled at Max anyway so he got on alright. after I finish I want to teach english in Japan and hopfully learn a bit of Japanese myself,opening up further avenues….all in hope of getting a bloody job in the industry.
June 16, 2004 at 8:23 am #12794AnonymousInactive
Omega – there are jobs without going to the extreme’s of learning Japanese.
I think I am somewhat different from other folk here – most seem to be coders or naturally gifted as artists (thats not to suggest coding ability isnt a naturally ability ;) ).
Yes, my school was shit.
June 16, 2004 at 9:50 am #12797
Yeah, those contacts sound great, I’ll be sitting down whenevr I get the chance to actually sit down and not have anything else on and I’m going to email each of them, and a few other I’ve come up with.
Have you mailed them to let them know I’ll be contacting them?
June 16, 2004 at 12:29 pm #12800AnonymousInactive
Yeah Jamie, they shouldn’t be suprised to hear from you :)
Omega – as far a higher education in games is concerned, there is a long way to go yet. I got my degree in Computer Applications from DCU and then went onto Abertay to get my PgDip in Computer Games Technology. Looking back, I could have gone straight into a degree in games tech in Abertay, but I think going the way I went was much more benificial. Learning to code properly and then adapting for game rather than learning to code games from the off really helped.
Education is important, especially for coders I think and if nothing else, having that piece of paper at the end of the day does make you more employable.
Going the other route is a harder one i think. Ivan is a testement to the drive needed to make it work always striving to work in games. I mean look…he’s stuck in Dundee at the moment!
June 16, 2004 at 12:49 pm #12801AnonymousInactive
Yes I know that there are avenues of less extreme in education, but all I’m doing is my best to consume what courses there are….available to me ofcourse, not all of us were able to systematically remember every page of every book in our leaving cert, which is by matter of opinion a dire way to evaluate someone’s capabilities… I much prefer the English alternative, or the American for that matter!, plus I tghink some of you are confusing what I am trying to say.
June 16, 2004 at 12:53 pm #12802AnonymousInactive
Omen, you have obviously earned your “stats”, and I congratulate you, but like I said not all of us benefited from our leaving cert, and please, spare me the “you should have studied more” routine, because i did. Maybe i will never gain enough “pieces of paper” to get my dream job but to hell with isolating people into certain groups because of their acedemical achievments!
June 16, 2004 at 12:55 pm #12803
Well that’s the point isn’t it Omega?
Plenty of good people feck up their leaving cert and they have to wait 4 or 5 years before they can even consider having another go as a mature student, loads of people I know have had to do that, but the point of what we’re trying to do is to let people know what options are available to them, what subjects they should be studying, and if people know that what they are doing in school can have a direct impact on the career or industry they want to get into, it gives them a lot more of an incentive to knuckle down for the two years and get on the right step of the ladder.
This isn’t to say that college is the way to go, looking at the industry it’s only the people in the last few years who have qualifications related to games, and most of the people who are at the top of the ladder right now are people who just taught themselves and built their careers, and the industry as a whole from scratch. It is important to see that at the point the industry is right now, qualified graduates are needed because there are so many specialised areas now, but this is not to say that people who know their stuff can’t get in. People who know their stuff and want to succeed more often than not do succeed, no matter what they’re doing.
June 16, 2004 at 1:20 pm #12804AnonymousInactive
Your faith is heart warming jamie, but I doubt your research is correct, sorry, i mean regarding irish people. Although it would be nice if you WERE indeed correct. whatever the outcome i’ll still carry on with my dream, and hopeful as you say will suceed. the best of luck too all of us
June 16, 2004 at 1:41 pm #12805AnonymousInactive
Personally I was very unhappy with my high school education. I wasn’t too heartbroken when I had to leave because of medical problems. The teachers left the kids to do whatever they want while they went off for a cup of coffee.
Then once I was back to 100% I had my health back and equally as important, my self confidence. My academic options were extremely poor and I was one of twenty people to be accepted into a course at the Belfast Institute of Further and Higher Education to retake our GCSEs. Nearly two hundred people applied so I know how lucky I was to get in. After that there was no way I was going to mess it up, even if I didn’t like the college. Surprisingly the teachers were fantastic and very helpful and caring, the other students were great and I made some good friends.
One year ago I was down and out and now I’m back on track and although I’m eighteen and at a level of education most sixteen year olds are at I couldn’t be happier. I’m about to go onto my levels and know that my education is helping me in all aspects of my all. I have much more belief in myself, got new great friends and am learning a lot academically but also about life. The point is education has pretty much saved me and it’s too bad not everyone enjoyed their experience. People like Ivan have had to fight hard to prove themselves and get where there are today and not rely on certificates. I admire them for that.
Before going back to education I wasn’t doing all that much to improve my chances of getting hired. Now with a fantastic teaching staff behind me I’ve been able to motivate myself and am now studying 3DS Max, concept art and much more. Next up is my A levels for two years, which is like the Irish leaving cert.
I’m not a huge fan of the Irish or British examining boards and think major reform should take place but without the opportunity to take my GCSEs again this year I’d be facing an extremely bumpy road ahead.
June 16, 2004 at 2:22 pm #12809AnonymousInactive
I think you got the wrong end of what I was saying. I’m not critising anyone who doesn’t go to higher education. At the end of the day, all you really get from it is a piece of paper. Everything else is up to up. That piece of paper makes life easier to get a job.
Not doing this means you have 4 years where you can hone your skills in the area you are striving for and with this you can come out with better qualifications to do the job.
And whats more important…a degree or experience? Once you gain experience, a degree doesn’t really mean that much.
The thing is, I didn’t know where I was going in the computer industry until recently….say 2 years ago. So further education allowed me to expand my horizons to see this opportunity. I jsut think its harder without this, because you probably need a clearer idea of where you’re going at an earlier age…something that I just didn’t have.
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