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“- RUMOR: Gameindustry.biz reported that Nintendo of America is planning to launch the Nintendo DS in North America before the US Thanksgiving day on November 11, for $179.95. A Japanese launch will take place one week ahead of US release on November 4, for 19000 yen”.
Looks like Nintendo are feeling the pressure, It’s a pity really becuase the unfortunate outcome is that Sony will probably steal the ‘handheld’ market from Nintendo. You have to admit the PSP looks awesome and it’s built in features are 2nd to none, and the new UMD format could prove useful.
*imagines playing Gran Turismo 4 on the go*
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Both man, the price was supposed to be in the region of $300, and it wasn’t supposed to debut until Q2 2005….If Sony get the PSP on the market first it will be dire for Nintendo, especially at that price and all the features with it, the DS is likely to cost more too, time will tell.
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erm….the DS for $179…thats awesome. Plus, its being released earlier than expected? More awesomeness!
Where is the problem? How is Nintendo feeling the pressure?
*confused*
From reading all the E3 reports, the DS comes out on top of the PSP with most reporters. I can’t see Sony “stealing” the handheld market at all. The showcase PSP software was the Metal Gear game, what people seemed to not realise was that it was basically a CARD GAME!!
The most impressive piece of handheld software with most, if not all, games journalists was the new Metroid game for the DS.I don’t see how changing the price or release date means Nintendo are doomed……especially when, in all likelyhood the DS will be released before the PSP and also be cheaper…. :confused:
Also, who in Gods name will buy movies for their PSP???? Who will buy a PSP movie over a DVD? Sure, you can watch the movie on the go, but what are you going to do, watch it once on the small screen then leave it at home in your “PSP movie collection”?
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It has three hour battery life for games?[/quote:65a37e795e]
Wrong. Think its 10 hours but I could be wrong.
Its 2 when streaming….ie, watching dvds on it. Think I remember reading somewhere that film companies were pushing sony to make it 2.5 hours so you can watch longer movies.there is to be no work on a portable gran turismo until Gran Turismo 4 is finished[/quote:65a37e795e]
I find that hard to believe. something like GT as a launch title would sell big time.Tokyo Games show is when you’ll see whats coming on the PSP.
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Ok we’ve established that were all confused.
What I originally was trying to say is this:
Sony originally announced that the PSP would launch end of year Japan/Q2 US, and Europe whenever, with a price of roughly $300
Nintendo originally announced that the DS would be available in Japan in Nov with a dual release in the US and Europe in early 2005, and at a price of roughly the same as the SP launch(170 Euros).
Now that Sony have pushed the date forward and lowered the starting price considerably you would assume that Nintendo would feel the pressure, it’s not as if Sony doesn’t have a fan base, so any new product of theirs is going to sell well, regardless. Need we not forget the Playstation generation, heck my own brother even stated “the DS looks shit, I’m going for the PSP, especially with DvD playback and MP3”, so noopitcal while you may consider the DvD playback a joke a 17 year old fan-boy might not agree….in this respect if I were Nintendo I would indeed be feeling the pressure. That is all.
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Okay still confused…..
Now that Sony have pushed the date forward and lowered the starting price considerably[/quote:0d92cdc51f]
When did this happen….the gameindustry.biz thing is about the DS, not the PSP.I apologise, but you’re brother is a twat.
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It appears there has been a mis-understanding, I am at fault, I mis-read the article… sorry guys.
My brother is a twat?
Maybe, but the difference between him and me is that
he cares little for the Industry, and only plays ‘commercial’ games(although he is ‘hardcore’ when it comes to Halo and FPS’s).A ‘casual’ Gamer if you will.
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A terrible shame if thats what the common train of thoughts is though.
And when he said the DS looked crap, was that the E3 version of the new one ?
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*bitch slaps Omega for not reading the article properly*
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So do you retract your comments on Nintendo feeling the pressure? Seeing as they will be releasing the DS earlier and more than likely with a price almost half that the PSP…. :cool:
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*bitch slaps Omega for not reading the article properly*
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So do you retract your comments on Nintendo feeling the pressure? Seeing as they will be releasing the DS earlier and more than likely with a price almost half that the PSP…. :cool: [/quote:98854f2e67]
I retract my statment alright, but I still beleive Sony will turn a few heads when the PSP comes out, don’t get me wrong I’m a Nintendo fan through and through, but there’s no point in hiding from the eventuality of Sony having a good old lash of the handheld market!
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I agree, I think Sony will give Nintendo a good run for their money in the handheld market. But I doubt they will surpass them……
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Well Sony can never really ‘surpass’ Nintendo as the big N has been at it since 89, and what, have sold some 200 million units of the Gameboy since then. Apart from all this(here comes the cynisism) I personally think the Handheld market is waining, not being an avid fan of portable gaming myself I find the latest editions to the market pointless, take for instance the fact that the PSP can play Gran Turismo 4, excuse me now but why would you want to play GT 4 on a small screen system when you could play it on your flat-screen digital tv with Dolby 5:1? as the years pass, the smaller systems are getting increasingly more powerful, to the stage that in a few years each new Console will have an equal portable system in it’s wake, but anyway more to the point, Sony will probably enter the market and set a few pulses a-race but in the end I imagine the original demographic will pull through for Nintendo, afterall the original intention for such systems was for kids, many gamers I suspect including older ones would’nt be too keen on handhelds, prefering their beefed up PC’s and next gen consloes…
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I amn’t a huge fna of hand-helds either, but think about it.
If you had kids and wanted to keep them quite in the back of the car on a journey, but them a handheld.
If you commuted to work every morning, but a handheld. ( i almost did that, although i figured I didn’t commute far enough )As for Sony surapasseding Nintendo….I don’t see why they wont. They probably have more money to spend on it and their games will probably entice the commputer market more as they’ll more likely be more maure games.
As much as I’d love to see Nintendo stay on top….I do have my doubts. Going with something different with the DS is a good step by them though i think. Hopefully their ‘Revolution’ will also do something similar and succeed -
As for Sony surapasseding Nintendo….I don’t see why they wont. They probably have more money to spend on it [/quote:802c8845cf]
Probably, but money can’t buy everything. Especailly a Loyal Nintendo fan, in saying that though I imagine alot of the ‘Playstation generation’ won’t think twice about purchasing the PSP.
Oh and Omen were you boozing last night?
quite a few spelling errors this morning….LOL
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Unfortunatelly I don’t think there are enough loyal Nintendo fans….not in today’s culture where grahpics and money mean almost everything :(
Would love to be proven wrong though.Nope, wasn’t drinking….just can’t type this morning for some reason. Have had to fix lots of typos in this post too. Think mind is just somewhere else today. Maybe I need some drink, that might help…
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There will always be a few Die-Hards out there Omen, I found a love for gaming in Nintendo 17 years ago, and I doubt i’ll ever forget that, Sony on the other hand, are new, and don’t command the long term respect that Nintendo have and deserve.
I hate it when your brain won’t work on Mondays, it’s such a nusiance. :p
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No, I know what you mean, but looking at PS2 vs GC sales, the number of dedicated Nintendo people is much lower. Wasn’t there even talk of Nintendo pulling out of the console market?
When you look at the younger market….up to late teens….Sony have been around for most of their gaming lives… and as such command their respect in much the same way.
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Yeah, I suppose you can’t really blame the ‘younger’ Gamers as they don’t really know any different, but as you said if the rumour of Nintendo pulling out of the market ever materialises I shall hang up my boots, It’s sad enough Sega suffered that fate. Let alone Nintendo.
You would have to wonder really what the marketing people at Nintendo are thinking, I mean I always appreciate an original game, but 16 -18 year old’s only want blood and guts, maybe Nintendo should lighten up(Resi 4 is definatly a step in the right direction)and start developing some newer more mature titles…. I know if I was given free reign for a couple of months at NCL I would investigate the possibilty of (please forgive me) some mainstream titles to boost sales, afterall this is a buisness.
Still Nintendo should be alright for a time to come, but the N5 really needs to impress, or else Sony and Microsoft will wipe the floor.
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I know if I was given free reign for a couple of months at NCL I would investigate the possibilty of (please forgive me) some mainstream titles to boost sales, afterall this is a buisness[/quote:645f5a708e]
Blasphemer!!
Hehehe….I do agree though. Really hope they survive and if thats what it takes, so be it. -
Don’t get me wrong, it wouldn’t be to a degree of EA standards just something that will appeal to the mass market. Besides I wouldn’t sacrifice quality over quantity ever, but Nintendo must be saved.
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Guys, what in gods name are you two talking about? Save Nintendo?
Nintendo isn’t anywhere near “dying”. They have never even contemplated “pulling out of the console business”. In fact, they have said for the past 2 years that they have “no intention of pulling out of the console hardware business”.And why should they? They have huge, and I mean huge, revenues, (2003 revenue was $4.2 billion – and that was a bad year). Their profits went up 98% for the first quarter of this year compared to last. They have reserve assets of EUR 5.1 billion, which they are planning to use on mergers and aquisitions in the near future.
So how do Nintendo need saving? ;)
Ever since Sega pulled out of the hardware business everyone has been saying Nintendo are next. They are comparing a company which had terrible sales, revenues and profits with one which has the exact opposite. It doesn’t make any sense, but I suppose some people just think, “Sega = Nintendo” without actually knowing anything about the two companies.
On the subject of the DS, I’m going on Nintendos track records with handhelds which is great, also the reports from journalists who had eyes on and hands on with both the DS and PSP at E3 said they found the DS more impressive. And going on these, I just can’t see the PSP(which can’t run GT4, it will be a toned down version), and which seems to be a “multimedia device” rather than a handheld console surpassing a device which is bound to attract gamers with its excellent multiplayer capabilities(WiFi anyone?), its games and its features(the touch screen can really be put to good use).
Plus, if the PSP is $300 dollars that is just ridiculous…..who in their right mind will pay the same price for a handheld as they would for a brand new next gen console?
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I never said Nintendo were Financially in a fix, I was more in the “Nintendo are in a Demographic” fix camp, becasue these days they are letting and I mean letting Sony and Microsoft walk all over them, Nintendo have some of the most talented games designers in the world working for them and since the launch of the GameCube what have we seen, maybe 10 titles by NCL, with alot of their franchises being dished out to 3rd party. Not that there’s anything wrong with what retro and Capcom have done with some of Nintendo’s franchises but my point here is what exactly are Nintendo up to?, what are they working on that is taking them so long?, so far we’ve had Mario, Wave-Race and Zelda. thats it, thats all Nintendo have delievered(apart from minor titles like Pikmin), everything else including the F-Zero franchise has been dished out.
It’s this fact that should be taken into consideration. and if Nintendo don’t start tapping an older market no amount of yearly profit increases is going to save them from financial destruction.
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and if Nintendo don’t start tapping an older market no amount of yearly profit increases is going to save them from financial destruction.[/quote:55628b644f]
That makes no sense whatsoever. Increasing profits = more financially stable. ;)
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Increasing profits = more financially stable. ;) [/quote:fd940bd1e2]
Educate me, because at the angle i’m viewing that it makes perfect sense.
Increase in profit=increase in financial resource
descrese in profit=decrease in financial resoursemaybe I’m confusing myself….
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Thats exactly right. More profit means they have more money to invest and spend.
But you said:“and if Nintendo don’t start tapping an older market no amount of yearly profit increases is going to save them from financial destruction.”
In other words, you said that even if Nintendo continue making more and more profits they still face financial ruin. Then in the last post you said
“Increase in profit=increase in financial resource”
So in one reply your saying more profit = financial destruction, and in the next your saying more profit = more financial resources
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Ah now I know what you mean but thats not what I’m saying it’s meant to sound like no amount of money is going to save Nintendo if they carry on with their ‘tunnel’ vision policy towards developing games for younger audiences, the real money lies in the Teenage market, make more sense now?
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the real money lies in the Teenage market[/quote:15dd1d5c7f]
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Wrong again.
Its the young adult market these days. :) [/quote:3c3330a0dc]It’s a point that could be argued I suppose, I know what your saying though, Omen. As obviously young adults have more money at their disposal, but the teenage market is more or less the ‘Playstation Generation’ personified.
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It’s a point that could be argued I suppose[/quote:c82604691d]
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Alright, I admit defeat…..*sigh*;)
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*This will clear up some of the confusion in this thread*
nice to see Nintendo on top.Market Share for the month of July 2004
1. Nintendo Co. Ltd. – 25.9%
2. Banpresto – 6.4%
3. Konami – 6.4%
4. Capcom – 6.3%
5. Square Enix – 6.1%
6. Sammy – 6.0 %
7. Bandai – 5.8%
8. Enterbrain – 4.6%
9. Namco – 4.5%
10. Pokemon – 3.7%Game Sales
(Konami) World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 – 637,000 – compare to World Soccer Winning Eleven 7 (8.2003) 691,000 / 1,127,000 (total sales)
(Nintendo) Densetsu no Starfi 3 – 57,000 – compare to Densetsu no Starfi 2 (9.2003) 78,000 / 332,000 (total sales)
(Nintendo) Paper Mario RPG – 47,000 / 250,000
(Square Enix) Final Fantasy I + II Advance – 39,000 / 193,000
(Konami) Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 11 – 21,000 / 328,000
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