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November 4, 2005 at 1:27 pm #4751AnonymousInactive
I’ve just started a PhD in the wee north on Adaptive Digital Games :shock: , investigating the how, why and whether or not to bother of player profiling and modeling for dynamic adaptive gameplay.
A key hot button topic here is adaptivity in games – there has always been lots of controversy over whether games should adapt to players, or just be the same* experience every time.
Anybody care to give their two cents on whether games should be adaptive?
*Roughly – by this I mean state-driven and scripted.
November 4, 2005 at 1:34 pm #26985AnonymousInactive
yeah it should be. Theres plenty of articles\papers written which highlight the downfalls of a game which isnt adaptive..
November 4, 2005 at 1:42 pm #26986AnonymousInactive
Care to comment on why it should be adaptive?
Me, I’m just as interested in the mechanics behind how to do it – like the psychology of play, brain function, cognitive science – I’m not the biggest gamer in the world. Bought about three games, ever (though that’s just cos I’m an international man of mystery, I have too much excitement).
But I’d like to hear the punters view, from the punters who are also the developers…
November 4, 2005 at 1:43 pm #26987AnonymousInactive
Depends on what you mean by adaptive, what sort of game is it, is the effort involved versus the reward.
November 4, 2005 at 2:15 pm #26988AnonymousInactive
Thats a developers concern – the effort is in testing and verifying the non-deterministic code that might be necessary, if the adaptivity is to be more complex than plain auto-dynamic difficulty (which is just measuring stats about the player to influence stats in the game, like number of enemies or their individual accuracy).
The reward is in replayability, beyond simply playing again to improve your kills/deaths ratio, or find all the hidden jewels, etc.
Its like, how many times do you watch the average movie? And if its a 12 hour experience (like the Godfathers), how many times then? A game is an interactive experience, so it doesnt need to be limited in this way, but it often is.
Thats only applicable to highly narrative games, but you catch my drift…
November 4, 2005 at 3:13 pm #26989AnonymousInactive
Have to say, you lost me a bit there…
Some genre’s lend themselves to adaptivity more-so than others. Perhaps a footy game or a strategy would learn the way you attack, and defend certain areas better. A FPS might learn how to attack you better. But is it really worth-while for a ai car to learn how you drive around a track, will it really add that much? Will it add anything to a platform game?? Also, will it add to the fun value, or will it simply make the game harder to complete and you simply have to try new approaches to situations. Sure, this makes you think more but the balance of keeping the game entertaining and making you work harder is a tough balance to keep.
Developer concerns are pretty important as a developer trying to do it, but having to bodge the thing due to time constraints will probably get it wrong.
There is also the issue of difficulty levels within games. If you have a difficulty level, why make it adaptive? Surely saying you want it to be hard means hard. I don’t want it to adapt to be easy if I can’t handle it. Having both systems in games is something that doesn’t make sense to me. i bring this up as publishers often want this feature.
November 11, 2005 at 9:26 am #27214AnonymousInactive
42 the answer to everything is always 42…
November 12, 2005 at 8:37 am #27251AnonymousInactive
There are potential problems with adaptive game play in that you are effectively changing the rules as you go along. You are also mainataining a steep learning curve because, not only is new stuff introduced, but old stuff you mastered keeps changing.
I think that open gameplay (a simulation/environment where the player can use the physical laws of the particular game to solve problems in a number of ways) is a much better way to generate replayability.
November 13, 2005 at 3:43 pm #27256AnonymousInactive
November 13, 2005 at 6:41 pm #27264AnonymousInactive
impressive creditals alan. sounds like you’ve posted your c.v. :)
as for recruiting people from the industry to share their business models i suspect you’ll probably struggle. i doubt many companies will want to discuss their business models, where their competitors can freely read about them in your thesis. but best of luck with that.
November 13, 2005 at 6:48 pm #27266AnonymousInactive
Yes I agree.
I have been working hard over hear in the UK going up and down the country recruiting individuals and companies to help in the research. I have a good few people already but like all quantitative based research not many people in any industry want to fill our surveys etc.
November 13, 2005 at 6:53 pm #27268AnonymousInactive
good good. im over in the uk myself at sega in solihull. Its a great place.
i’lll pass on your details tomorrow and see if anyone wants to help you out with filling the survey. Sega’s business model is actually pretty simple at the mo. Buy up everyone who’ll make you money. i.e. Creative Assembly :)
November 13, 2005 at 7:00 pm #27271AnonymousInactive
That would be excellent. The more industry people on board the better.
What are you up to at Saga?
November 13, 2005 at 7:19 pm #27274AnonymousInactive
I work as a programmer in core technology at the driving studio developing all the bits and bobs of code which the games teams use (graphics\sound\networking\input\physics\tools etc).
November 14, 2005 at 8:56 am #24543AnonymousInactive
My name is Alan O’Dea….
I have been a IGDA student member for the last 4 years and attend the IGDA UK North West chapter meetings.
The Liverpool or the Manchester IGDA meetings?
I was at the Liverpool one last week, mmm free booze tastes even sweeter.
November 14, 2005 at 9:11 am #25858AnonymousInactive
Yes I was at the Liverpool one last Wednesday. I was the guy giving out all the handouts.
November 15, 2005 at 4:48 pm #27304AnonymousInactive
D’oh missed those handouts. I near went over 4 pints and that would not have been good…damn early mornings ;)
I came with the David from Evolution, he was one of the lads on the ‘door’
November 15, 2005 at 5:07 pm #27307AnonymousInactive
No worry I was talking to Matt Southern at the IGDA meeting the week before in Manchester. I wasnt expecting to much reading of handouts at a games related social event fuled primarily by free beer to be fair.
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